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Arrested Social Transformation
Khap Panchayats Asserting Caste-Gender Hierarchy
Ram Puniyani
Khap Panchayats, the age old upholders of caste norms have been in the news for all the wrong reasons. While these Panchayats (assembly) had some role in settling the community disputes, these exclusively male bodies, dominated by village elite have been asserting the values of past, gone by era and stand in the way of the values of Indian Constitution, the values of Liberty Equality and Fraternity. These are very active in Harayana region in particular, the same place where incidents of anti dalit brutalities against Dalits, and the incident where dalits were killed on the pretext that they are killing cows.
It is no coincidence that in the nearby Jhajjhar also similar incident had taken place just a few years ago. The recent (April 2010) developments in the aftermath of brutal killing Manoj and Babli are very disturbing and also reflective of the social situation prevailing in large parts of the region in the country. Manoj and Babli, belonging to same Gotra, got married and due to fear of the panchayat, fearing the threat to their lives, sought legal protection. While returning from court with police escort they were caught hold of and taken in a jeep, while police men and others were witnessing the act. The couple was killed mercilessly. The killers were from same village, belonging to the family and close relatives. The abettor was the panchayat chief. The Judge in a forthright judgment gave death punishment to five of them and life imprisonment to one and seven year jail term to anther.
The Khap panchayat rather than feeling the guilt and shame of the incident went on offensive and started saying that those youth going on the path of Manoj and Babli will be given similar treatment. Incidentally before this ghastly incident nearly hundred young couples have been done to death or punished in various ways by these Panchayats. After the judgment they called a bigger meeting and demanded that Hindu marriage law be amended to ensure that people from same Gotra (Sub caste) cannot marry. They are deciding to intensify their agitation.
There are parallel examples of many Muslim families killing their defiant youth, who preferred to get married on their own choice, transcending the boundaries laid by social customs. These killings are many a times called 'Honor Killing'. Meaning the choice of girl and boy of their life partner has to conform to the norms of the community-family else killing those defying these norms is an "honor" for the family, caste. It is the make believe honor of the family which is carried forward by close relatives like brothers, uncles etc. One witnesses similar cases coming from Pakistan also as the social rigidities are probably much stronger in parts of the feudal dominated Pakistan society.
These incidents reflect the deepening of the process of caste rigidification during last few decades. Varna and jati system has been the norm of Hindu society, legitimized by various Holy Scriptures. The same caste system also affected partly the Muslims and Christians, whose scriptures don't permit this but surely social practices are not merely guided by the Holy books.
The processes of caste and gender transformations always run parallel. These transformations began slowly during British rule, parallel with the growth of freedom struggle. The National movement and more particularly the process of education for dalits and women, initiated the social reformers resulted in the beginning of this transformation. The evil practices existing during that time were opposed and many a social reformers Jotiba Phule, Savitiribai Phule, Dr. Ambedkar, Ram Mohan Roy and Mahatma Gandhi fought against these practices. Ram Mohan Roy's main focus was on the evil of Sati, burning of bride on the funeral pyre of her husband. Gandhi's major concern was against untouchability, the custom most abominable and deeply reflective of the caste system and the place of Shudras in the social system. While Phule-Ambedkar were demanding and agitating against these practices in a strong and radical way other reformers also chipped in and took the reform process far and wide.
These reform processes logically should have been accompanied by land reforms and relegation of the role of clergy to the private realms of social life. National movement did succeed to some extent in bringing forth these issues to social attention. Indian Constitution forthrightly puts forward these provisions. The process of industrialization and education gradually started loosening the grip of caste and gender hierarchy, and the retrograde norms during the first three decades of the republic though the speed of this transformation was slow. Women started entering social arena and dalits came up in good measure in social sphere during this time.
From the decade of 1980 the process seems to have been arrested and the economic policies, the adverse effects of globalization, cultural movement accompanying them, the global rise of fundamentalism and the ascendance of politics in the name of religion and Ram Temple agitation in India were the multiple factors due to which the process of transformation faced obstacles. These processes changed the cultural terrain of society and rather then rational progressive thoughts and practices, traditional conservatism started getting stronger. During this time the atrocities against dalits and women went up, samples of which were Roop Kanwar Sati in Deorala and Bhavri Devi case. The atmosphere of cultural terror got intensified. The major focus was on controlling the weaker sections of society in the name of 'glorious traditions'. This did intimidate the dalits and women. Minorities also faced increasing violence against them during this time, resulting in their ghettoization and strengthening of orthodox elements within the community.
When Dr. Ambedkar introduced Hindu code bill, and made efforts to give equality and freedom to women, the bill was diluted before implementing itself. The conservatives in the society stood to oppose the same. Pundit Nehru went on to say that our constitution is progressive but society is in the grip of orthodox traditions. The hope was that these orthodox traditions will weaken with time, and as a matter of fact they actually started weakening during initial decades of the republic when the rational norms and practices started getting respectability.
Currently we seem to be seeing an arrest of this process of transformation in the progressive direction. The major causative factor does seem to be the cultural accompaniments of politics in the name of religion. This politics externally targets the minorities but its deeper agenda is that of opposing the equality of dalits and women. What these Khap Panchayats are doing is to put a control on the freedom of adults to choose their life partners and their style of living. Simultaneously they are attempting to control the lives of women, the core of patriarchal politics, a politics which is presented as nationalism and glorious tradition, by those doing politics in the name of religious identity.
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Today's topics:
* smart trade by Minn - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/7d8757eb21f28392?hl=en
* Wilson highlight video and photo gallery - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/48ee7affd53debf5?hl=en
* Hope they address the D-Line - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/bad5962b9943e9c0?hl=en
* good pick for the pats but - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/6fdfaa83afd8c8f5?hl=en
* Damn... missed by that much... - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/1bce2c0db4a9862b?hl=en
* Vladimir Ducasse, OT... - 6 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/0aab2c4b59973b24?hl=en
* Pats take Spikes.... - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/3f63f87a51dfef47?hl=en
* Rothlessberger gets 6 games - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/1dce11a87fc1cd00?hl=en
* Mel Kuyper Jr. has he ever been right? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/828ebdb137c954e1?hl=en
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TOPIC: smart trade by Minn
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 3:08 pm
From: MZ
Michael wrote:
> On Apr 23, 1:09 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>> Michael wrote:
>>> On Apr 23, 12:42 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
>>>> Michael wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 23, 10:27 am, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Apr 23, 8:28 am, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> MZ wrote:
>>>>>>>> They can grab Clausen in the 2nd round. They're behind three teams that
>>>>>>>> won't take a QB.
>>>>>>> & you don't have to pay him round 1 money.
>>>>>> Can you imagine what the Rams FO is thinking right now? THey could
>>>>>> have had Suh at 1.1 and Clauson at 2.1! But who knew?
>>>>>> The team worthy of ridicule is surely Denver. Denver let its
>>>>>> irrational hardon for Tebow cloud its draft day judgment. Geez...
>>>>>> they could have traded down, and not just a little, and still got
>>>>>> Tebow and more picks. Broncos have set themselves back by doing
>>>>>> this. Stupid FO there.
>>>>> I think the team that made the worst pick was Buff. They have no
>>>>> offensive line to speak of and they take a rb. One that needs a bit
>>>>> of a hole. The Tebow pick was odd, but understandable given Tebow's
>>>>> up side with the character-leader stuff and Josh being the supposed
>>>>> next coming of Dan Henning.
>>>> What I really don't understand is why they added a RB so early with Fred
>>>> Jackson already on the roster. And have they been able to move Marshawn
>>>> yet? This will hurt his trade value if they're still shopping him.- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> yeah... those are some other reasons for this being a bad choice for
>>> buff. it made no sense... it is good for the jets, pats and fish,
>>> though... all three of those teams will have two probable wins per
>>> season. the jets, fish and pats are gonna be in a three way death
>>> match. by roster i rate the jets first, pats second and fish third.
>>> that being, if the jets get the sanchez that they had at the end of
>>> the season. miami wont be a big worry so long as they have henne as
>>> their guy
>> The Pats have four picks today in a very deep draft, so I'll reserve
>> judgment on whose roster is better until then. In my view, the dolphins
>> are a clear third. But you never know.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> debateable if you can consider the guys the jets/pats draft as players
> at this point... the are unproven potential
I expect most first and second rounders to contribute pretty early,
depending on the position. Sure, some of them may not work out. But
some of them do. There are lots of unknowns on rosters, not just from
the draft. Even the Jets QB position is still an unknown.
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TOPIC: Wilson highlight video and photo gallery
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 3:22 pm
From: Michael
On Apr 23, 6:04 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:37:00 -0700 (PDT), Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >On Apr 23, 11:42 am, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Wilson highlight video and photo gallery:
>
> >>http://www.kdub1.com/
>
> >Nice form tackling on ball carriers. When he gets the ball in open
> >space after a pick he's like Darol Ray was. A one man team. I
> >especially like the way he plays the ball and not the receiver in pass
> >coverage. That will get him some nice interceptions. He'll be a
> >player right away.
>
> ... and he's smart. He was an *A* student. So, he should be able to quickly pick up on
> Rex's system.
i did not know that... what was his major ?
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 4:57 pm
From: buRford
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:22:34 -0700 (PDT), Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:
>On Apr 23, 6:04 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:37:00 -0700 (PDT), Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >On Apr 23, 11:42 am, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> Wilson highlight video and photo gallery:
>>
>> >>http://www.kdub1.com/
>>
>> >Nice form tackling on ball carriers. When he gets the ball in open
>> >space after a pick he's like Darol Ray was. A one man team. I
>> >especially like the way he plays the ball and not the receiver in pass
>> >coverage. That will get him some nice interceptions. He'll be a
>> >player right away.
>>
>> ... and he's smart. He was an *A* student. So, he should be able to quickly pick up on
>> Rex's system.
>
>i did not know that... what was his major ?
I heard it a couple of times last night.
From CBS Sports... Communications major - Earned Academic All-Western Athletic Conference
four-straight seasons from 2006-2009
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 5:05 pm
From: buRford
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 19:57:18 -0400, buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:22:34 -0700 (PDT), Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>On Apr 23, 6:04 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:37:00 -0700 (PDT), Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> >On Apr 23, 11:42 am, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >> Wilson highlight video and photo gallery:
>>>
>>> >>http://www.kdub1.com/
>>>
>>> >Nice form tackling on ball carriers. When he gets the ball in open
>>> >space after a pick he's like Darol Ray was. A one man team. I
>>> >especially like the way he plays the ball and not the receiver in pass
>>> >coverage. That will get him some nice interceptions. He'll be a
>>> >player right away.
>>>
>>> ... and he's smart. He was an *A* student. So, he should be able to quickly pick up on
>>> Rex's system.
>>
>>i did not know that... what was his major ?
>
>I heard it a couple of times last night.
>From CBS Sports... Communications major - Earned Academic All-Western Athletic Conference
>four-straight seasons from 2006-2009
Member of National Honor Society in HS.
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TOPIC: Hope they address the D-Line
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 3:30 pm
From: cd
Don't know if a third cb is more important that a D-lineman. Miami
pounded the Jets twice last year and they drafted Merling two years
ago and drafted another this year to further enforce their D-line. Do
the Jets now have the oldest D-line in the AFCE? You can run all the
fancy blitz packages, but when the opposition is pounding you into
submission, nothing that third first round corner is going to do to
help. Hope Taylor is not the answer to Marques Douglas, where is he
anyway?
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 3:38 pm
From: MZ
cd wrote:
> Don't know if a third cb is more important that a D-lineman. Miami
> pounded the Jets twice last year and they drafted Merling two years
> ago and drafted another this year to further enforce their D-line. Do
> the Jets now have the oldest D-line in the AFCE? You can run all the
> fancy blitz packages, but when the opposition is pounding you into
> submission, nothing that third first round corner is going to do to
> help. Hope Taylor is not the answer to Marques Douglas, where is he
> anyway?
Cody is still on the board, but I see him in Miami. A guy I keep seeing
mentioned is Linval Joseph. I don't think he'd get past the Pats though.
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TOPIC: good pick for the pats but
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 4:19 pm
From: MZ
Gronkowski slid, and fills a need for them. But they missed out on both
Misi and Kindle, who were the top rated 3-4 OLBs. They (and the Jets)
also just lost out on Linval Joseph, who was projected to be a good fit
as a 3-4 DE.
The Dolphins are having a really nice draft so far.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 5:17 pm
From: Michael
On Apr 23, 7:19 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> Gronkowski slid, and fills a need for them. But they missed out on both
> Misi and Kindle, who were the top rated 3-4 OLBs. They (and the Jets)
> also just lost out on Linval Joseph, who was projected to be a good fit
> as a 3-4 DE.
>
> The Dolphins are having a really nice draft so far.
yeah.. a nice time taking guys the jets and pats would like... we
gotta sweep them for that
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 6:42 pm
From: Deadmeat
On 4/23/2010 7:19 PM, MZ wrote:
> Gronkowski slid, and fills a need for them. But they missed out on both
> Misi and Kindle, who were the top rated 3-4 OLBs. They (and the Jets)
> also just lost out on Linval Joseph, who was projected to be a good fit
> as a 3-4 DE.
>
> The Dolphins are having a really nice draft so far.
Why did Kindle drop as far as he did? Some of the local idiots had the
Fins taking him at 12.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 6:57 pm
From: "Ray OHara"
"Deadmeat" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:00080293$0$1685$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
> On 4/23/2010 7:19 PM, MZ wrote:
>> Gronkowski slid, and fills a need for them. But they missed out on both
>> Misi and Kindle, who were the top rated 3-4 OLBs. They (and the Jets)
>> also just lost out on Linval Joseph, who was projected to be a good fit
>> as a 3-4 DE.
>>
>> The Dolphins are having a really nice draft so far.
>
>
>
> Why did Kindle drop as far as he did? Some of the local idiots had the
> Fins taking him at 12.
I was wondering that too.
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TOPIC: Damn... missed by that much...
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 5:06 pm
From: buRford
Just missed Terrence Cody. Would've been a great pickup, to mentor behind Jenkins.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 5:11 pm
From: MZ
buRford wrote:
> Just missed Terrence Cody. Would've been a great pickup, to mentor behind Jenkins.
I think they should go with an OT or TE here. Charles Brown and Bruce
Campbell are very highly rated, and DBrick's contract will come due
pretty soon. He can also take over for Wayne Hunter as "TE" in the
tight sets.
There are also a couple highly rated TEs available, like Hernandez and
Moeki.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 5:22 pm
From: MZ
MZ wrote:
> buRford wrote:
>> Just missed Terrence Cody. Would've been a great pickup, to mentor
>> behind Jenkins.
>
> I think they should go with an OT or TE here. Charles Brown and Bruce
> Campbell are very highly rated, and DBrick's contract will come due
> pretty soon. He can also take over for Wayne Hunter as "TE" in the
> tight sets.
>
> There are also a couple highly rated TEs available, like Hernandez and
> Moeki.
Well, they took a different OT. Not a bad pick. He'll sit in '10 and
come in at TE in power sets.
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TOPIC: Vladimir Ducasse, OT...
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 5:21 pm
From: buRford
Don't know him, but he's big... and I want the lines filled.
Overview
A product of his work ethic and great athleticism, Ducasse is still a relative neophyte as
a football player. Much like Tennessee's Michael Roos, the talented left offensive tackle
has little experience on the gridiron, as he did not begin playing the game until arriving
at Stamford High School from Haiti, putting on a football uniform for the first time in
2003.
The similarities to Roos are what have drawn NFL scouts to the Massachusetts campus.
Ducasse saw limited playing time during his freshman year with the Minutemen, where he
began his collegiate career competing at both guard and tackle. As a sophomore, he took
over the demanding left tackle position and his dominance in the trenches was evident from
the first time he took the field.
Roos, who also emigrated to the United States late in his high school career, went on to
earn All-American honors at Eastern Washington and is now regarded as one of the premier
left tackles in the National Football League. After just two seasons as a starter at
UMass, many scouting analysts consider Ducasse to be the best offensive lineman in the
NCAA Football Championship Subdivision ranks, as he earned All-American honors in 2008 and
is expected to be one of the top draft prospects at his position entering his final
collegiate campaign.
Ducasse grew up in the town of Delmas, Haiti, where he said his father, Delinois, was
threatened for his involvement in local politics. His father decided to move and sent
Ducasse and one of his three other brothers, McArthur, to live with an uncle in Stamford,
as he wanted them to have better educational opportunities. "I was happy and also scared,"
Ducasse recalled.
While living in Haiti, Ducasse played basketball, but never even saw a football game until
arriving at Stamford High School. On the first day of 2003 fall practice, Vladimir, who
stood 6-feet-3 and weighed 270 pounds as a 16-year old, approached the team's head
football coach, Kevin Jones and said in broken words, "I want to play."
Ducasse credited some of his friends in school for helping to get him on the team. "A lot
of kids asked why I wasn't playing football," he recalled. "I said I play basketball, but
I decided to give it a try. Once I got the helmet and pads on and started hitting people,
I started to like it a lot. They told me football is an easy sport because you just hit
people, but I learned it was not just about hitting people." The football field quickly
became another classroom that Ducasse had to try and master.
At Stamford High School, Ducasse started the final twenty games of his career, lining up
mostly at offensive guard. He garnered All-State first-team honors from the Connecticut
High School Coaches Association and was a first-team All-Fairfield County by the FCIAC
Coaches Association. He was also selected to play in the Governor's Cup All-Star Game
against Rhode Island prep all-stars.
Ducasse excelled on the frontcourt for the Samford High basketball team. He also lettered
in track-and-field, twice winning the league title in the discus while finishing second in
the shot put. At the 2006 FCIAC Track Championship, he won the discus championship and
gold medal with a toss of 139'0". He also topped his personal best in the shot put (had a
50'11" throw at the city championship) with a throw of 53' 8 1/4" in the FIAC finals, as
he qualified for the State Class LL track meet in both events.
Still, it would be his "new love," football, that would see Ducasse follow his older
brother to the collegiate ranks (MacArthur attended Fairfield University). After just two
seasons as a starter at Stamford, Ducasse was being pursued by several Division I
colleges. "As for Vladimir, well, let's just say when he arrived here (from Haiti) in his
sophomore year, he didn't even know how to put his shoulder pads on, football coach Kevin
Jones recalls. "He didn't know anything about the game of football."
With his work ethic, it did not surprise the SHS coaching staff that Ducasse went from a
mere novice to earning a scholarship to a Division I (AA) college. "One thing I learned
about Vladimir is that you can't tell him he can't do something," Jones stated. Ducasse
was also surprised about all the attention he was receiving. "I never thought of getting a
scholarship," he said.
"All I wanted was to work hard on my grades. Then, when coaches told me I could go to
college for free, I said okay. I have to thank Coach Jones for all of this. Thanks to him,
I learned that you can have some success because you are bigger than everybody else, but
there's a lot of different things you have to learn about blocking, where to go. When I
started I didn't know what I was doing."
Under Jones, Ducasse progressed to the point that he became a highly effective drive
blocker. Prior to reporting to Massachusetts, he spent the past summer getting himself
into the best shape possible. "I worked out a lot," Ducasse said."I knew I had to work
hard every day." With every weight he lifted, every mile he ran, every bead of sweat that
dripped off his face, Ducasse showed that the Minutemen were getting a special player who
would grow into the team's "leader by example."
Ducasse chose Massachusetts over Maine, Northeastern, Hofstra, Delaware and Buffalo, but
his first season at UMass was a "learning experience." He did not appear on the football
field until the team's fourth game of the 2006 season, going on to see reserve action,
mostly on the left side, behind tackle Matt Austin and guard Nick Diana. He would go on to
make his debut vs. Stony Brook, followed by action in each of the William & Mary, Towson
and Rhode Island contests.
In 2007, Ducasse started 12 games at left offensive tackle, missing the Towson contest due
to an injury. He protected the blind side of the pocket, delivering 83 knockdowns/key
blocks that also included fourteen touchdown-resulting blocks. The team ranked 21st in the
nation with an average of 248.31 yards per game and finished 12th nationally with a 151.07
passing efficiency rating, thanks to Ducasse registering an 86.83 percent grade for
blocking consistency. He also recovered one fumble and had nine down field blocks that
featured at least one runner gaining 100 yards in ten of the twelve games that the UMass
left tackle played in.
As a junior, Ducasse was named NCAA Football Championship Subdivision All-American
first-team by The NFL Draft Report, adding All-Colonial Athletic Association first-team
accolades. He started 12 games at left tackle, as his blocking consistency grade of 91.33%
was the highest of any lineman in the FCS ranks. He posted 94 knockdowns/key blocks,
leading an offensive line that allowed just six sacks, the second-lowest total by any team
in the nation, as the front wall did not yield any sacks in their last five games. The
offense finished 26th in the nation, averaging 242.58 aerial yards per game.
Entering his final season, Ducasse took his game to another level. Even though UMass
faltered in the second half, the consensus All-American first-team choice produced an
85.55% grade for blocking consistency. The All-Colonial Athletic Association choice led
the league with 16 touchdown-resulting blocks, but had cadence issues that led to seven
penalties during his senior season.
Analysis
Pass blocking Reliable pass protector, using length and size not seen at the FCS level.
Uses those attributes to anchor or run smaller rush ends around the pocket. Needs quite a
bit of work in his pass protection technique before moving on to the next level. Stands
upright and bends at the waist; will lose his balance when extending against better
college players, much less NFL pass rushers. Inconsistent with his punch, catching rushers
too often and giving up too much ground to less talented players. Will stop his feet after
initial contact, shrinking the pocket. Recovery speed against outside-in or spin moves is
questionable.
Run blocking Gets out of his stance with enough agility to seal the edge, get out in front
of stretch plays and screens as well as to find the MIKE linebacker at the second level.
Controls his body and keeps his feet moving to find and ride smaller defenders out of the
play. Will combo block and use his length to knock late blitzers off their approach. Must
extend his arms when drive blocking; keeps his hands too low and against his body, and
will give up leverage against NFL defenders. Loses his balance and gets tossed aside by
smaller ends when reaching for them on the edge.
Pullingtrapping His foot quickness will allow him to get around trash and quickly move to
his target when pulling or trapping. Even though he is inconsistent hitting targets on the
move, his athleticism should allow him to improve there and take out linebackers inside.
Initial Quickness Good initial drive off the snap as a run blocker, getting into the
jersey of his man and quickly collapsing the tackle when blocking down. Must speed up his
first step in his kick slide, but has the athleticism to do so.
Downfield Good mobility in space, easily getting to the second level and beyond.
Understands angles, and is able to move his feet to create them. Willing to mix it up with
anyone coming into his area. Fails to hit his intended target and adjust to players coming
from inside at times. Hesitates before getting downfield to help his ballcarrier.
Intangibles Voted co-captain by his teammates, Ducasse is a good student in the classroom
and film room who lets his play do his talking for him. He must prove he can step up his
consistency and effort against better competition.
Career Notes
Since his sophomore season (35 games as a starter), Ducasse has registered 267
knockdowns/key blocks during that span … 48 of those blocks (17.98%) resulted in
touchdowns by Massachusetts, as he also posted 28 of those blocks (10.49%) down field … In
his 35 games as a starter, the Minutemen had at least one ball carrier rush for 100 yards
in 20 of those contests … In 2008, he led the NCAA Football Championship Subdivision
offensive linemen, posting a blocking consistency grade of 91.33% … Since taking over the
left offensive tackle position, Ducasse recorded an 89.68% grade for blocking consistency,
the highest grade of any lineman in the Football Championship Subdivision during that
three-year span … Also produced a solo tackle as a junior (vs. Delaware) and recovered a
fumble as a sophomore (vs. Rhode Island) … As a junior, he became the 11th Minuteman
offensive lineman to earn All-American honors, joining Bob Foote (1961, first team), Paul
Graham (1963, first team), Ned Deane(1975, first team), Bruce Kimball (1977 and 1978,
first team), Paul Mayberry (1990, first team), Bill Durkin (1993, first team), Mike Wynne
(1999, first team), Maikel Miret (2002, third team), Alex Miller (2006, first team) and
Matt Austin (2006, third team and 2007, first team) … In 2008, he received blocking
consistency grades of 90% or better in six contests, setting a Colonial Athletic
Association/Atlantic Ten Conference season-record (tied Northern Iowa's Chad Rinehart's
2005 total, the most by any FCS/ Division 1-AA down lineman in the last 15 years) … In
2009, he registered grades of 90% or better in four consecutive contests (Albany, Rhode
Island, Stony Brook, Delaware) … Is the only Massachusetts offensive lineman to post three
touchdown-resulting blocks in a game more than once in a season (accomplished that feat in
both 2008 -- vs. Holy Cross and Bryant, and again in 2009 -- vs. Albany and Stony Brook).
2009 Season
Consensus All-American first-team selection … Rated the best offensive lineman below the
major college level by The NFL Draft Report … Unanimous All-Colonial Athletic Association
first-team choice … Started all eleven games, recording an 85..55% grade for blocking
consistency, as he delivered 90 knockdowns and 16 touchdown-resulting blocks, as he guided
an offensive line that ranked second in the CAA for fewest sacks allowed (1.55 spg) …
Faltered in his final three contests, grading below 75% in each (71% vs. both Northeastern
and James Madison and 73% vs. Hofstra) … Through the team's first eight games, the
starting left offensive tackle had graded 91.25% for blocking consistency, as he received
grades of 90% or better in four of those contests.
2008 Season
FCS All-American first-team choice by The NFL Draft Report, adding honorable mention from
The Sports Network … All-Colonial Athletic Association first-team pick … Started 12 games
at the demanding left offensive tackle, leading the FCS down linemen with a career-high
91.33% grade for blocking consistency, as he also led the FCS ranks with 18
touchdown-resulting blocks … Registered at least a 90% grade in six contests, including a
perfect 100% vs. Holy Cross (only FSC lineman to record a 100% grade in a game since the
1990 season) … Had multiple touchdown-resulting blocks in six of the 12 games that he
appeared in, the most by any FCS offensive lineman in 2008 … Ducasse posted 11 downfield
blocks and was penalized just twice on 749 offensive plays … Leader of a front wall that
led the league and ranked second in the nation, allowing just six quarterback sacks for
losses of 38 yards (UMass did not give up any sacks in their five contests), as the unit
gained at least 400 yards in total offense five times during the course of the campaign …
Also posted a solo tackle vs. Delaware.
2007 Season
Super Sleeper Team and All-CAA first-team selection by NFLDraftScout.com … Started 12
games at left offensive tackle, sitting out the Towson clash … Helped the front wall hold
the opposition to only 17 quarterback sacks for losses totaling 108 yards, as Ducasse
graded 86.83% for blocking consistency, leading the conference and ranking fourth in the
FCS ranks with 14 touchdown-resulting blocks … His pass protection skills saw the
Minutemen average 248.31 yards per game passing, as the left tackle recorded nine
downfield blocks for a running game that scored 19 times on the ground … Also recovered a
fumble in the Rhode Island contest … Posted a blocking consistency grade of 90% or better
in five contests, including a season-best 96% mark vs. New Hampshire.
2006 Season
Ducasse appeared briefly in four games as a true freshman, lining up behind All-American
left offensive tackle Matt Austin, in addition to seeing action behind left guard Nick
Diana … Made his collegiate debut in the Minutemen's fourth game vs. Stony Brook and also
played with the second unit in each of the William & Mary, Towson and Rhode Island
contests … Helped the team rank 12th in the nation, as UMass averaged 383.8 yards per game
in total offense … The offensive line led the conference and ranked 14th nationally, as
they allowed just 16 quarterback sacks for minus 105 yards.
Injury Report
No major injuries reported.
Agility Tests
Campus: 5.21 in the 40-yard dash (hand-held) … 5.33 in the 40-yard dash (electronically) …
1.75 10-yard dash … 3.03 20-yard dash … 4.73 20-yard shuttle … 7.64 three-cone drill …
26-inch vertical jump … 7'3" broad jump … Bench pressed 225 pounds 29 times … 425-pound
bench press … 505-pound squat … 34 3/4-inch arm length … 9 5/8-inch hands.
High School
Attended Stamford (Conn.) High School, playing football for head coach Kevin Jones … Was
named the recipient of the 2005 Aswad Tonge Black & Orange Award, given to the team's Most
Valuable Player in the school's winter and spring workouts. The award bears the name of a
former teammate, Aswad Tonge, who would have graduated in 2004. Oz, as he was
affectionately called, passed away on June 15, 2003. The winner of this award has shown
the same dedication that Oz showed in his pre-season preparation … Started the final
twenty games of his career, lining up mostly at offensive guard … Garnered All-State
first-team honors from the Connecticut High School Coaches Association and was a
first-team All-Fairfield County by the FCIAC Coaches Association … Selected to play in the
Governor's Cup All-Star Game against Rhode Island prep all-stars … While he started mostly
on offense, Ducasse also competed as a defensive lineman and on special teams … Recorded
18 tackles (12 solos) as a senior … Some of his better games that year was a four-tackle
effort on defense while coming up with touchdown-resulting blocks on a 74-yard pass play
from Donald James to Chris Patterson and on Patterson's 18-yard run vs. Danbury … Made
three solo tackles while registering touchdown-resulting blocks on a 10-yard run by
Patterson and a 1-yard punge by QB Brendan Salvatore vs. Bridgeport Central, adding four
tackles (3 solos) vs. Staples and two touchdown-resulting blocks on carries of 73 yards by
Patterson and 38 yards by Alex Joseph vs. Trinity Catholic … As a junior, he added five
tackles and also blocked a pair of field goals - one each in the Bridgeport and Norwalk
contests … Clobbered rush end Steve Guynn on Salvatore's 57-yard scoring pass to Ken
Fersner vs. New Canaan … Took down two defenders on a 67-yard touchdown toss from David
Rich to Fersner in the Westhill clash … Excelled on the front court for head coach James
Moriarty as a junior and for coach Scott Derosier as a senior while lettering on the
Samford High basketball team … Also lettered in track-and-field, twice winning the league
title in the discus while finishing second in the shot put … At the 2006 FCIAC Track
Championship, he won the discus championship and gold medal with a toss of 139'0" … Topped
his personal best in the shot put (had a 50'11" throw at the city champion-ship) with a
throw of 53' 8 1/4" in the FIAC finals, as he qualified for the State Class LL track meet
in both events.
Personal
African-American Studies … Son of Delinois Ducasse, who still resides in Haiti … Guardians
are his aunt and uncle, Virginia and Lezanoro Ducasse … Moved to the United States with
one of his brothers, McArthur (has another brother, Jeffrey and a sister, Gemima), in 2002
… Born Vladimir Ducasse on 10/15/87 in Port Au Prince, Haiti … Resides in Stamford,
Connecticut.
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 5:24 pm
From: buRford
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:21:47 -0400, buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>Don't know him, but he's big... and I want the lines filled.
>
>
>Overview
>
>A product of his work ethic and great athleticism, Ducasse is still a relative neophyte as
>a football player. Much like Tennessee's Michael Roos, the talented left offensive tackle
>has little experience on the gridiron, as he did not begin playing the game until arriving
>at Stamford High School from Haiti, putting on a football uniform for the first time in
>2003.
>
>The similarities to Roos are what have drawn NFL scouts to the Massachusetts campus.
>Ducasse saw limited playing time during his freshman year with the Minutemen, where he
>began his collegiate career competing at both guard and tackle. As a sophomore, he took
>over the demanding left tackle position and his dominance in the trenches was evident from
>the first time he took the field.
>
>Roos, who also emigrated to the United States late in his high school career, went on to
>earn All-American honors at Eastern Washington and is now regarded as one of the premier
>left tackles in the National Football League. After just two seasons as a starter at
>UMass, many scouting analysts consider Ducasse to be the best offensive lineman in the
>NCAA Football Championship Subdivision ranks, as he earned All-American honors in 2008 and
>is expected to be one of the top draft prospects at his position entering his final
>collegiate campaign.
>
>Ducasse grew up in the town of Delmas, Haiti, where he said his father, Delinois, was
>threatened for his involvement in local politics. His father decided to move and sent
>Ducasse and one of his three other brothers, McArthur, to live with an uncle in Stamford,
>as he wanted them to have better educational opportunities. "I was happy and also scared,"
>Ducasse recalled.
>
>While living in Haiti, Ducasse played basketball, but never even saw a football game until
>arriving at Stamford High School. On the first day of 2003 fall practice, Vladimir, who
>stood 6-feet-3 and weighed 270 pounds as a 16-year old, approached the team's head
>football coach, Kevin Jones and said in broken words, "I want to play."
>
>Ducasse credited some of his friends in school for helping to get him on the team. "A lot
>of kids asked why I wasn't playing football," he recalled. "I said I play basketball, but
>I decided to give it a try. Once I got the helmet and pads on and started hitting people,
>I started to like it a lot. They told me football is an easy sport because you just hit
>people, but I learned it was not just about hitting people." The football field quickly
>became another classroom that Ducasse had to try and master.
>
>At Stamford High School, Ducasse started the final twenty games of his career, lining up
>mostly at offensive guard. He garnered All-State first-team honors from the Connecticut
>High School Coaches Association and was a first-team All-Fairfield County by the FCIAC
>Coaches Association. He was also selected to play in the Governor's Cup All-Star Game
>against Rhode Island prep all-stars.
>
>Ducasse excelled on the frontcourt for the Samford High basketball team. He also lettered
>in track-and-field, twice winning the league title in the discus while finishing second in
>the shot put. At the 2006 FCIAC Track Championship, he won the discus championship and
>gold medal with a toss of 139'0". He also topped his personal best in the shot put (had a
>50'11" throw at the city championship) with a throw of 53' 8 1/4" in the FIAC finals, as
>he qualified for the State Class LL track meet in both events.
>
>Still, it would be his "new love," football, that would see Ducasse follow his older
>brother to the collegiate ranks (MacArthur attended Fairfield University). After just two
>seasons as a starter at Stamford, Ducasse was being pursued by several Division I
>colleges. "As for Vladimir, well, let's just say when he arrived here (from Haiti) in his
>sophomore year, he didn't even know how to put his shoulder pads on, football coach Kevin
>Jones recalls. "He didn't know anything about the game of football."
>
>With his work ethic, it did not surprise the SHS coaching staff that Ducasse went from a
>mere novice to earning a scholarship to a Division I (AA) college. "One thing I learned
>about Vladimir is that you can't tell him he can't do something," Jones stated. Ducasse
>was also surprised about all the attention he was receiving. "I never thought of getting a
>scholarship," he said.
>
>"All I wanted was to work hard on my grades. Then, when coaches told me I could go to
>college for free, I said okay. I have to thank Coach Jones for all of this. Thanks to him,
>I learned that you can have some success because you are bigger than everybody else, but
>there's a lot of different things you have to learn about blocking, where to go. When I
>started I didn't know what I was doing."
>
>Under Jones, Ducasse progressed to the point that he became a highly effective drive
>blocker. Prior to reporting to Massachusetts, he spent the past summer getting himself
>into the best shape possible. "I worked out a lot," Ducasse said."I knew I had to work
>hard every day." With every weight he lifted, every mile he ran, every bead of sweat that
>dripped off his face, Ducasse showed that the Minutemen were getting a special player who
>would grow into the team's "leader by example."
>
>Ducasse chose Massachusetts over Maine, Northeastern, Hofstra, Delaware and Buffalo, but
>his first season at UMass was a "learning experience." He did not appear on the football
>field until the team's fourth game of the 2006 season, going on to see reserve action,
>mostly on the left side, behind tackle Matt Austin and guard Nick Diana. He would go on to
>make his debut vs. Stony Brook, followed by action in each of the William & Mary, Towson
>and Rhode Island contests.
>
>In 2007, Ducasse started 12 games at left offensive tackle, missing the Towson contest due
>to an injury. He protected the blind side of the pocket, delivering 83 knockdowns/key
>blocks that also included fourteen touchdown-resulting blocks. The team ranked 21st in the
>nation with an average of 248.31 yards per game and finished 12th nationally with a 151.07
>passing efficiency rating, thanks to Ducasse registering an 86.83 percent grade for
>blocking consistency. He also recovered one fumble and had nine down field blocks that
>featured at least one runner gaining 100 yards in ten of the twelve games that the UMass
>left tackle played in.
>
>As a junior, Ducasse was named NCAA Football Championship Subdivision All-American
>first-team by The NFL Draft Report, adding All-Colonial Athletic Association first-team
>accolades. He started 12 games at left tackle, as his blocking consistency grade of 91.33%
>was the highest of any lineman in the FCS ranks. He posted 94 knockdowns/key blocks,
>leading an offensive line that allowed just six sacks, the second-lowest total by any team
>in the nation, as the front wall did not yield any sacks in their last five games. The
>offense finished 26th in the nation, averaging 242.58 aerial yards per game.
>
>Entering his final season, Ducasse took his game to another level. Even though UMass
>faltered in the second half, the consensus All-American first-team choice produced an
>85.55% grade for blocking consistency. The All-Colonial Athletic Association choice led
>the league with 16 touchdown-resulting blocks, but had cadence issues that led to seven
>penalties during his senior season.
>Analysis
>
>Pass blocking Reliable pass protector, using length and size not seen at the FCS level.
>Uses those attributes to anchor or run smaller rush ends around the pocket. Needs quite a
>bit of work in his pass protection technique before moving on to the next level. Stands
>upright and bends at the waist; will lose his balance when extending against better
>college players, much less NFL pass rushers. Inconsistent with his punch, catching rushers
>too often and giving up too much ground to less talented players. Will stop his feet after
>initial contact, shrinking the pocket. Recovery speed against outside-in or spin moves is
>questionable.
>
>Run blocking Gets out of his stance with enough agility to seal the edge, get out in front
>of stretch plays and screens as well as to find the MIKE linebacker at the second level.
>Controls his body and keeps his feet moving to find and ride smaller defenders out of the
>play. Will combo block and use his length to knock late blitzers off their approach. Must
>extend his arms when drive blocking; keeps his hands too low and against his body, and
>will give up leverage against NFL defenders. Loses his balance and gets tossed aside by
>smaller ends when reaching for them on the edge.
>
>Pullingtrapping His foot quickness will allow him to get around trash and quickly move to
>his target when pulling or trapping. Even though he is inconsistent hitting targets on the
>move, his athleticism should allow him to improve there and take out linebackers inside.
>
>Initial Quickness Good initial drive off the snap as a run blocker, getting into the
>jersey of his man and quickly collapsing the tackle when blocking down. Must speed up his
>first step in his kick slide, but has the athleticism to do so.
>
>Downfield Good mobility in space, easily getting to the second level and beyond.
>Understands angles, and is able to move his feet to create them. Willing to mix it up with
>anyone coming into his area. Fails to hit his intended target and adjust to players coming
>from inside at times. Hesitates before getting downfield to help his ballcarrier.
>
>Intangibles Voted co-captain by his teammates, Ducasse is a good student in the classroom
>and film room who lets his play do his talking for him. He must prove he can step up his
>consistency and effort against better competition.
>Career Notes
>
>Since his sophomore season (35 games as a starter), Ducasse has registered 267
>knockdowns/key blocks during that span … 48 of those blocks (17.98%) resulted in
>touchdowns by Massachusetts, as he also posted 28 of those blocks (10.49%) down field … In
>his 35 games as a starter, the Minutemen had at least one ball carrier rush for 100 yards
>in 20 of those contests … In 2008, he led the NCAA Football Championship Subdivision
>offensive linemen, posting a blocking consistency grade of 91.33% … Since taking over the
>left offensive tackle position, Ducasse recorded an 89.68% grade for blocking consistency,
>the highest grade of any lineman in the Football Championship Subdivision during that
>three-year span … Also produced a solo tackle as a junior (vs. Delaware) and recovered a
>fumble as a sophomore (vs. Rhode Island) … As a junior, he became the 11th Minuteman
>offensive lineman to earn All-American honors, joining Bob Foote (1961, first team), Paul
>Graham (1963, first team), Ned Deane(1975, first team), Bruce Kimball (1977 and 1978,
>first team), Paul Mayberry (1990, first team), Bill Durkin (1993, first team), Mike Wynne
>(1999, first team), Maikel Miret (2002, third team), Alex Miller (2006, first team) and
>Matt Austin (2006, third team and 2007, first team) … In 2008, he received blocking
>consistency grades of 90% or better in six contests, setting a Colonial Athletic
>Association/Atlantic Ten Conference season-record (tied Northern Iowa's Chad Rinehart's
>2005 total, the most by any FCS/ Division 1-AA down lineman in the last 15 years) … In
>2009, he registered grades of 90% or better in four consecutive contests (Albany, Rhode
>Island, Stony Brook, Delaware) … Is the only Massachusetts offensive lineman to post three
>touchdown-resulting blocks in a game more than once in a season (accomplished that feat in
>both 2008 -- vs. Holy Cross and Bryant, and again in 2009 -- vs. Albany and Stony Brook).
>2009 Season
>
>Consensus All-American first-team selection … Rated the best offensive lineman below the
>major college level by The NFL Draft Report … Unanimous All-Colonial Athletic Association
>first-team choice … Started all eleven games, recording an 85..55% grade for blocking
>consistency, as he delivered 90 knockdowns and 16 touchdown-resulting blocks, as he guided
>an offensive line that ranked second in the CAA for fewest sacks allowed (1.55 spg) …
>Faltered in his final three contests, grading below 75% in each (71% vs. both Northeastern
>and James Madison and 73% vs. Hofstra) … Through the team's first eight games, the
>starting left offensive tackle had graded 91.25% for blocking consistency, as he received
>grades of 90% or better in four of those contests.
>2008 Season
>
>FCS All-American first-team choice by The NFL Draft Report, adding honorable mention from
>The Sports Network … All-Colonial Athletic Association first-team pick … Started 12 games
>at the demanding left offensive tackle, leading the FCS down linemen with a career-high
>91.33% grade for blocking consistency, as he also led the FCS ranks with 18
>touchdown-resulting blocks … Registered at least a 90% grade in six contests, including a
>perfect 100% vs. Holy Cross (only FSC lineman to record a 100% grade in a game since the
>1990 season) … Had multiple touchdown-resulting blocks in six of the 12 games that he
>appeared in, the most by any FCS offensive lineman in 2008 … Ducasse posted 11 downfield
>blocks and was penalized just twice on 749 offensive plays … Leader of a front wall that
>led the league and ranked second in the nation, allowing just six quarterback sacks for
>losses of 38 yards (UMass did not give up any sacks in their five contests), as the unit
>gained at least 400 yards in total offense five times during the course of the campaign …
>Also posted a solo tackle vs. Delaware.
>2007 Season
>
>Super Sleeper Team and All-CAA first-team selection by NFLDraftScout.com … Started 12
>games at left offensive tackle, sitting out the Towson clash … Helped the front wall hold
>the opposition to only 17 quarterback sacks for losses totaling 108 yards, as Ducasse
>graded 86.83% for blocking consistency, leading the conference and ranking fourth in the
>FCS ranks with 14 touchdown-resulting blocks … His pass protection skills saw the
>Minutemen average 248.31 yards per game passing, as the left tackle recorded nine
>downfield blocks for a running game that scored 19 times on the ground … Also recovered a
>fumble in the Rhode Island contest … Posted a blocking consistency grade of 90% or better
>in five contests, including a season-best 96% mark vs. New Hampshire.
>2006 Season
>
>Ducasse appeared briefly in four games as a true freshman, lining up behind All-American
>left offensive tackle Matt Austin, in addition to seeing action behind left guard Nick
>Diana … Made his collegiate debut in the Minutemen's fourth game vs. Stony Brook and also
>played with the second unit in each of the William & Mary, Towson and Rhode Island
>contests … Helped the team rank 12th in the nation, as UMass averaged 383.8 yards per game
>in total offense … The offensive line led the conference and ranked 14th nationally, as
>they allowed just 16 quarterback sacks for minus 105 yards.
>Injury Report
>
>No major injuries reported.
>Agility Tests
>
>Campus: 5.21 in the 40-yard dash (hand-held) … 5.33 in the 40-yard dash (electronically) …
>1.75 10-yard dash … 3.03 20-yard dash … 4.73 20-yard shuttle … 7.64 three-cone drill …
>26-inch vertical jump … 7'3" broad jump … Bench pressed 225 pounds 29 times … 425-pound
>bench press … 505-pound squat … 34 3/4-inch arm length … 9 5/8-inch hands.
>High School
>
>Attended Stamford (Conn.) High School, playing football for head coach Kevin Jones … Was
>named the recipient of the 2005 Aswad Tonge Black & Orange Award, given to the team's Most
>Valuable Player in the school's winter and spring workouts. The award bears the name of a
>former teammate, Aswad Tonge, who would have graduated in 2004. Oz, as he was
>affectionately called, passed away on June 15, 2003. The winner of this award has shown
>the same dedication that Oz showed in his pre-season preparation … Started the final
>twenty games of his career, lining up mostly at offensive guard … Garnered All-State
>first-team honors from the Connecticut High School Coaches Association and was a
>first-team All-Fairfield County by the FCIAC Coaches Association … Selected to play in the
>Governor's Cup All-Star Game against Rhode Island prep all-stars … While he started mostly
>on offense, Ducasse also competed as a defensive lineman and on special teams … Recorded
>18 tackles (12 solos) as a senior … Some of his better games that year was a four-tackle
>effort on defense while coming up with touchdown-resulting blocks on a 74-yard pass play
>from Donald James to Chris Patterson and on Patterson's 18-yard run vs. Danbury … Made
>three solo tackles while registering touchdown-resulting blocks on a 10-yard run by
>Patterson and a 1-yard punge by QB Brendan Salvatore vs. Bridgeport Central, adding four
>tackles (3 solos) vs. Staples and two touchdown-resulting blocks on carries of 73 yards by
>Patterson and 38 yards by Alex Joseph vs. Trinity Catholic … As a junior, he added five
>tackles and also blocked a pair of field goals - one each in the Bridgeport and Norwalk
>contests … Clobbered rush end Steve Guynn on Salvatore's 57-yard scoring pass to Ken
>Fersner vs. New Canaan … Took down two defenders on a 67-yard touchdown toss from David
>Rich to Fersner in the Westhill clash … Excelled on the front court for head coach James
>Moriarty as a junior and for coach Scott Derosier as a senior while lettering on the
>Samford High basketball team … Also lettered in track-and-field, twice winning the league
>title in the discus while finishing second in the shot put … At the 2006 FCIAC Track
>Championship, he won the discus championship and gold medal with a toss of 139'0" … Topped
>his personal best in the shot put (had a 50'11" throw at the city champion-ship) with a
>throw of 53' 8 1/4" in the FIAC finals, as he qualified for the State Class LL track meet
>in both events.
>Personal
>
>African-American Studies … Son of Delinois Ducasse, who still resides in Haiti … Guardians
>are his aunt and uncle, Virginia and Lezanoro Ducasse … Moved to the United States with
>one of his brothers, McArthur (has another brother, Jeffrey and a sister, Gemima), in 2002
>… Born Vladimir Ducasse on 10/15/87 in Port Au Prince, Haiti … Resides in Stamford,
>Connecticut.
Height: 6-5 | Weight: 332
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 5:28 pm
From: Michael
On Apr 23, 8:21 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
<SNIP>
Decent pick.... Since the other known edge rushers were gone, getting
some depth for the o-line is a smart move. He's got all the physical
tools, just needs some polish. I think he may wind up at guard. Not
very long arms...
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 5:29 pm
From: Still Roper
On Apr 23, 8:21 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> Don't know him, but he's big... and I want the lines filled.
>
> Overview
>
> A product of his work ethic and great athleticism, Ducasse is still a relative neophyte as
> a football player. Much like Tennessee's Michael Roos, the talented left offensive tackle
> has little experience on the gridiron, as he did not begin playing the game until arriving
> at Stamford High School from Haiti, putting on a football uniform for the first time in
> 2003.
>
> The similarities to Roos are what have drawn NFL scouts to the Massachusetts campus.
> Ducasse saw limited playing time during his freshman year with the Minutemen, where he
> began his collegiate career competing at both guard and tackle. As a sophomore, he took
> over the demanding left tackle position and his dominance in the trenches was evident from
> the first time he took the field.
>
> Roos, who also emigrated to the United States late in his high school career, went on to
> earn All-American honors at Eastern Washington and is now regarded as one of the premier
> left tackles in the National Football League. After just two seasons as a starter at
> UMass, many scouting analysts consider Ducasse to be the best offensive lineman in the
> NCAA Football Championship Subdivision ranks, as he earned All-American honors in 2008 and
> is expected to be one of the top draft prospects at his position entering his final
> collegiate campaign.
>
> Ducasse grew up in the town of Delmas, Haiti, where he said his father, Delinois, was
> threatened for his involvement in local politics. His father decided to move and sent
> Ducasse and one of his three other brothers, McArthur, to live with an uncle in Stamford,
> as he wanted them to have better educational opportunities. "I was happy and also scared,"
> Ducasse recalled.
>
> While living in Haiti, Ducasse played basketball, but never even saw a football game until
> arriving at Stamford High School. On the first day of 2003 fall practice, Vladimir, who
> stood 6-feet-3 and weighed 270 pounds as a 16-year old, approached the team's head
> football coach, Kevin Jones and said in broken words, "I want to play."
>
> Ducasse credited some of his friends in school for helping to get him on the team. "A lot
> of kids asked why I wasn't playing football," he recalled. "I said I play basketball, but
> I decided to give it a try. Once I got the helmet and pads on and started hitting people,
> I started to like it a lot. They told me football is an easy sport because you just hit
> people, but I learned it was not just about hitting people." The football field quickly
> became another classroom that Ducasse had to try and master.
>
> At Stamford High School, Ducasse started the final twenty games of his career, lining up
> mostly at offensive guard. He garnered All-State first-team honors from the Connecticut
> High School Coaches Association and was a first-team All-Fairfield County by the FCIAC
> Coaches Association. He was also selected to play in the Governor's Cup All-Star Game
> against Rhode Island prep all-stars.
>
> Ducasse excelled on the frontcourt for the Samford High basketball team. He also lettered
> in track-and-field, twice winning the league title in the discus while finishing second in
> the shot put. At the 2006 FCIAC Track Championship, he won the discus championship and
> gold medal with a toss of 139'0". He also topped his personal best in the shot put (had a
> 50'11" throw at the city championship) with a throw of 53' 8 1/4" in the FIAC finals, as
> he qualified for the State Class LL track meet in both events.
>
> Still, it would be his "new love," football, that would see Ducasse follow his older
> brother to the collegiate ranks (MacArthur attended Fairfield University). After just two
> seasons as a starter at Stamford, Ducasse was being pursued by several Division I
> colleges. "As for Vladimir, well, let's just say when he arrived here (from Haiti) in his
> sophomore year, he didn't even know how to put his shoulder pads on, football coach Kevin
> Jones recalls. "He didn't know anything about the game of football."
>
> With his work ethic, it did not surprise the SHS coaching staff that Ducasse went from a
> mere novice to earning a scholarship to a Division I (AA) college. "One thing I learned
> about Vladimir is that you can't tell him he can't do something," Jones stated. Ducasse
> was also surprised about all the attention he was receiving. "I never thought of getting a
> scholarship," he said.
>
> "All I wanted was to work hard on my grades. Then, when coaches told me I could go to
> college for free, I said okay. I have to thank Coach Jones for all of this. Thanks to him,
> I learned that you can have some success because you are bigger than everybody else, but
> there's a lot of different things you have to learn about blocking, where to go. When I
> started I didn't know what I was doing."
>
> Under Jones, Ducasse progressed to the point that he became a highly effective drive
> blocker. Prior to reporting to Massachusetts, he spent the past summer getting himself
> into the best shape possible. "I worked out a lot," Ducasse said."I knew I had to work
> hard every day." With every weight he lifted, every mile he ran, every bead of sweat that
> dripped off his face, Ducasse showed that the Minutemen were getting a special player who
> would grow into the team's "leader by example."
>
> Ducasse chose Massachusetts over Maine, Northeastern, Hofstra, Delaware and Buffalo, but
> his first season at UMass was a "learning experience." He did not appear on the football
> field until the team's fourth game of the 2006 season, going on to see reserve action,
> mostly on the left side, behind tackle Matt Austin and guard Nick Diana. He would go on to
> make his debut vs. Stony Brook, followed by action in each of the William & Mary, Towson
> and Rhode Island contests.
>
> In 2007, Ducasse started 12 games at left offensive tackle, missing the Towson contest due
> to an injury. He protected the blind side of the pocket, delivering 83 knockdowns/key
> blocks that also included fourteen touchdown-resulting blocks. The team ranked 21st in the
> nation with an average of 248.31 yards per game and finished 12th nationally with a 151.07
> passing efficiency rating, thanks to Ducasse registering an 86.83 percent grade for
> blocking consistency. He also recovered one fumble and had nine down field blocks that
> featured at least one runner gaining 100 yards in ten of the twelve games that the UMass
> left tackle played in.
>
> As a junior, Ducasse was named NCAA Football Championship Subdivision All-American
> first-team by The NFL Draft Report, adding All-Colonial Athletic Association first-team
> accolades. He started 12 games at left tackle, as his blocking consistency grade of 91.33%
> was the highest of any lineman in the FCS ranks. He posted 94 knockdowns/key blocks,
> leading an offensive line that allowed just six sacks, the second-lowest total by any team
> in the nation, as the front wall did not yield any sacks in their last five games. The
> offense finished 26th in the nation, averaging 242.58 aerial yards per game.
>
> Entering his final season, Ducasse took his game to another level. Even though UMass
> faltered in the second half, the consensus All-American first-team choice produced an
> 85.55% grade for blocking consistency. The All-Colonial Athletic Association choice led
> the league with 16 touchdown-resulting blocks, but had cadence issues that led to seven
> penalties during his senior season.
> Analysis
>
> Pass blocking Reliable pass protector, using length and size not seen at the FCS level.
> Uses those attributes to anchor or run smaller rush ends around the pocket. Needs quite a
> bit of work in his pass protection technique before moving on to the next level. Stands
> upright and bends at the waist; will lose his balance when extending against better
> college players, much less NFL pass rushers. Inconsistent with his punch, catching rushers
> too often and giving up too much ground to less talented players. Will stop his feet after
> initial contact, shrinking the pocket. Recovery speed against outside-in or spin moves is
> questionable.
>
> Run blocking Gets out of his stance with enough agility to seal the edge, get out in front
> of stretch plays and screens as well as to find the MIKE linebacker at the second level.
> Controls his body and keeps his feet moving to find and ride smaller defenders out of the
> play. Will combo block and use his length to knock late blitzers off their approach. Must
> extend his arms when drive blocking; keeps his hands too low and against his body, and
> will give up leverage against NFL defenders. Loses his balance and gets tossed aside by
> smaller ends when reaching for them on the edge.
>
> Pullingtrapping His foot quickness will allow him to get around trash and quickly move to
> his target when pulling or trapping. Even though he is inconsistent hitting targets on the
> move, his athleticism should allow him to improve there and take out linebackers inside.
>
> Initial Quickness Good initial drive off the snap as a run blocker, getting into the
> jersey of his man and quickly collapsing the tackle when blocking down. Must speed up his
> first step in his kick slide, but has the athleticism to do so.
>
> Downfield Good mobility in space, easily getting to the second level and beyond.
> Understands angles, and is able to move his feet to create them. Willing to mix it up with
> anyone coming into his area. Fails to hit his intended target and adjust to players coming
> from inside at times. Hesitates before getting downfield to help his ballcarrier.
>
> Intangibles Voted co-captain by his teammates, Ducasse is a good student in the classroom
> and film room who lets his play do his talking for him. He must prove he can step up his
> consistency and effort against better competition.
> Career Notes
>
> Since his sophomore season (35 games as a starter), Ducasse has registered 267
> knockdowns/key blocks during that span … 48 of those blocks (17.98%) resulted in
> touchdowns by Massachusetts, as he also posted 28 of those blocks (10.49%) down field … In
> his 35 games as a starter, the Minutemen had at ...
>
> read more »
Ok...I can't read this bible...but he looks like a big angry kid who's
probably had to toughen up quickly with the name Vladimir....
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 6:35 pm
From: "Ray OHara"
"Still Roper" <mark_edwards_2000@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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Ok...I can't read this bible...but he looks like a big angry kid who's
probably had to toughen up quickly with the name Vladimir....
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Vladimir and Ivan are common names in the carribean.
think Vlad Guerrero and Ivan Rodriguez
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 7:07 pm
From: Still Roper
On Apr 23, 9:35 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Still Roper" <mark_edwards_2...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>
> news:fec8fb90-8c53-4c6c-ae9e-50810dc3037d@k41g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>
> Ok...I can't read this bible...but he looks like a big angry kid who's
> probably had to toughen up quickly with the name Vladimir....
>
> ======================================================================
>
> Vladimir and Ivan are common names in the carribean.
> think Vlad Guerrero and Ivan Rodriguez
Ahhhh...ok...that's better...
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TOPIC: Pats take Spikes....
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 5:25 pm
From: Michael
Those bastards.... They took Spikes... I like this guy... Screw his
40, he can play. FUCK
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 5:28 pm
From: MZ
Michael wrote:
> Those bastards.... They took Spikes... I like this guy... Screw his
> 40, he can play. FUCK
Not a bad fit either, for the 3-4. The talking heads are saying he's
not fast enough for the nickel, but that's fine because that's what
Guyton does well. If he works out, he'll be in a rotation with Guyton.
Tyrone McKenzie, who they drafted in the 3rd round last year, will
also be in the mix at ILB. So it looks like their linebacking group is
starting to come together. I'm hoping for a second OLB now. Maybe Wootton?
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 5:34 pm
From: Michael
On Apr 23, 8:28 pm, MZ <m...@nospam.void> wrote:
> Michael wrote:
> > Those bastards.... They took Spikes... I like this guy... Screw his
> > 40, he can play. FUCK
>
> Not a bad fit either, for the 3-4. The talking heads are saying he's
> not fast enough for the nickel, but that's fine because that's what
> Guyton does well. If he works out, he'll be in a rotation with Guyton.
> Tyrone McKenzie, who they drafted in the 3rd round last year, will
> also be in the mix at ILB. So it looks like their linebacking group is
> starting to come together. I'm hoping for a second OLB now. Maybe Wootton?
Spikes is one of my fav lbs in a long time. You will love him. He
runs faster in full gear in a real game than he does at the bull shit
combine. He is less of a track and field athlete and much more of a
football player. Without knowing of the slow 40 time he'd be a first
rounder.
Wootton ??? Dont know much. The word is he is not a wold beating sack
master, but some skill at the task
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TOPIC: Rothlessberger gets 6 games
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 5:28 pm
From: "Ray OHara"
"MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
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> Ray OHara wrote:
>> "Johnctx" <jc@spamtx.net> wrote in message
>> news:Ts2dnWDEV-Z9yE3WnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> Ray OHara wrote:
>>>> "MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
>>>> news:_PSdnUrBhbkoMlLWnZ2dnUVZ_tEAAAAA@giganews.com...
>>>>> Harlan Lachman wrote:
>>>>>> In article <hqngbn$on9$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>>>> "Ray OHara" <raymond-ohara@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> alleged serial rapist Ben Rothlessberger received a 6 game
>>>>>>> suspension from the NFL.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> this will leave a black mark on his permanant record.
>>>>>> Ray, what I like about your post is that it admits the reason for the
>>>>>> suspension. In the no fun league, being guilty enough to be indicted
>>>>>> is not necessary. I drank when underage. I probably served booze to
>>>>>> girls who were sloshed. If I could of and they would have I probably
>>>>>> would have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The bogus thing about this suspension is that many of us would buy
>>>>>> drinks for a pretty girl in a bar and none of us would card her. So
>>>>>> the behavior except for the alleged rape is nothing to complain
>>>>>> about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is why your subject line is so true. Alleged.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While I never went in a girls bathroom and did the deed, it seems
>>>>>> wierd that there was not enough DNA to warrant taking any.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having the DA submit her testimony to the press after deciding not to
>>>>>> press charges, having her not scream out and have witnesses, not
>>>>>> press charges in the bar, seems like slander since it was not given
>>>>>> in a public forum, under oath, facing a witness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This whole thing stinks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> h
>>>>> I'm with you on this, Harlan. The "personal conduct" clause is what
>>>>> stinks. In my view, this is between him and the team.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also don't understand why they're shopping him. I know owners care
>>>>> about PR, but if I was a Steelers fan I'd be irate.
>>>>
>>>> it reflects badly on the league. he makes millions, he has an
>>>> obligation not to force himself on underage girls.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Out of wedlock babies used to be a scandal. So should Brady have been
>>> suspended? The answer is obviously no. I guess I have the MZ streak of
>>> libertarian in me.
>>
>>
>>
>> being pro-near if not actual rape are Libertarian positions?.
>
> It's a libertarian position to not throw the book at someone who hasn't
> been found guilty of a crime.
>
> You keep avoiding the issue: what evidence is there that a rape occurred?
> I'm not trying to lead you with that question. I really don't know. If
> he raped the chick, then yeah, he's a scumbag. But from what they're
> saying these days, people are miffed because he's a cooz hound and he
> abuses alcohol. There are also people out there who think that a 20 year
> old college student getting drunk is a giant dagger right through baby
> Jesus's heart.
>
> It's Tiger all over again.
none of Tiger's "GFs" accused him of forcing themselves on them.
there was no police investigation.
its not like tiger at all.
and this isn't Bens first time being so accused. the first incident ins't
even resolved there will be a civil suit.
that might happen again with the Ga case.
once, yeah give him the benefit. but this is the second major allegation and
there are rumours.
the NFL isn't the criminal court. the rules are different.
and its better he learn his lesson now rather than after he really gets
caught and goes to prison.
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TOPIC: Mel Kuyper Jr. has he ever been right?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 7:00 pm
From: "Ray OHara"
this guy has created the draft prognoster industry and his year round
plugging of the NFL draft has been a major factor it its becoming prime-time
theater.
but has he ever actually been right about anybody's draft?
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 7:18 pm
From: Michael
On Apr 23, 10:00 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> this guy has created the draft prognoster industry and his year round
> plugging of the NFL draft has been a major factor it its becoming prime-time
> theater.
>
> but has he ever actually been right about anybody's draft?
my favorite mel kiper moment was when he blasted the colts for
drafting steve emptman and coryatt number 1 and 2 over all with the
very first and second pick of the draft.... the colts bill tobin
boiled over saying stuff like "who the hell is mel kiper.. he's never
put on a jock strap"
mel was exactly just right at the time... the colts blew two number
one draft picks straight out there asses.
other players drafted in that first round include probowlers:
1. Sean Gilbert
2.Desmond Howard
3.Troy Vincnent
4. Bob Whitfield
5 Leon Seacy
5. Chester McGlocton
6. Dale Carter
7. Robert Jones
8.Robert Porcher
9.Darryl Williiams
The Pats could have had two of those guys, instead the got none of
them. Neither did the Jets or Pats though. The Jets took Johnny
Mitchel and the Pats took Eugene Chung
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TOPIC: Traded
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 22 2010 10:05 pm
From: "Remy McSwain"
Ray OHara wrote:
> "CalC" <calcarpenter1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:72c40b57-b862-4fd7-a150-f77bf7c3a0a3@j17g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 22, 10:02 pm, "Len" <lbertr...@gwi.net> wrote:
>> "CalC" <calcarpent...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:f9aa5ff7-b04f-4fa3-886b-a569cf78e518@d34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> On Apr 22, 9:47 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> fuck me.
>>>> the pats have some major holes. how about filling onme with a
>>>> quality guy.
>>
>>> Easy Knute O'Hara they traded down 2 picks....
>>
>> And just traded down again.
>
> For the guy they picked they could have traded down 4 more times
> too.......I don't like passing on Kindle at all....this guy had better
> be a player because forget Bellichick's picks his LB non picks that
> he's passed on have proven to be a pretty decent bunch the last 3
> years and Kindle could join that group.
>
>
> =======================================================================
>
> Yeah a CB . a good one is hard to find. this guy better pan out.
> I was sure they saw Kindle was safe for them. I thought LBs were a
> need,
I don't like this pick at all. Reminds me of the Canty pick years ago.
With all of their needs, they pick a special teamer? The Pats almost always
pick mutts who only finally pan out in the last year of their contracts.
It's rediculous.
== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 4:10 am
From: CalC
On Apr 23, 1:05 am, "Remy McSwain" <Paradis70...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ray OHara wrote:
> > "CalC" <calcarpent...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:72c40b57-b862-4fd7-a150-f77bf7c3a0a3@j17g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> > On Apr 22, 10:02 pm, "Len" <lbertr...@gwi.net> wrote:
> >> "CalC" <calcarpent...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:f9aa5ff7-b04f-4fa3-886b-a569cf78e518@d34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> On Apr 22, 9:47 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> fuck me.
> >>>> the pats have some major holes. how about filling onme with a
> >>>> quality guy.
>
> >>> Easy Knute O'Hara they traded down 2 picks....
>
> >> And just traded down again.
>
> > For the guy they picked they could have traded down 4 more times
> > too.......I don't like passing on Kindle at all....this guy had better
> > be a player because forget Bellichick's picks his LB non picks that
> > he's passed on have proven to be a pretty decent bunch the last 3
> > years and Kindle could join that group.
>
> > =======================================================================
>
> > Yeah a CB . a good one is hard to find. this guy better pan out.
> > I was sure they saw Kindle was safe for them. I thought LBs were a
> > need,
>
> I don't like this pick at all. Reminds me of the Canty pick years ago.
> With all of their needs, they pick a special teamer? The Pats almost always
> pick mutts who only finally pan out in the last year of their contracts.
> It's rediculous.
To me I love picking great athletes but where does he play EVEN if
he's great..you have like 5 corners and 3 safeties as is.
== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 5:09 am
From: "Remy McSwain"
In
news:10bbed17-cd19-4cdd-9a5b-8cc2831f0ac9@b6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com,
CalC <calcarpenter1@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 23, 1:05 am, "Remy McSwain" <Paradis70...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Ray OHara wrote:
>>> "CalC" <calcarpent...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:72c40b57-b862-4fd7-a150-f77bf7c3a0a3@j17g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Apr 22, 10:02 pm, "Len" <lbertr...@gwi.net> wrote:
>>>> "CalC" <calcarpent...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>> news:f9aa5ff7-b04f-4fa3-886b-a569cf78e518@d34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>>> On Apr 22, 9:47 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> fuck me.
>>>>>> the pats have some major holes. how about filling onme with
>>>>>> a quality guy.
>>
>>>>> Easy Knute O'Hara they traded down 2 picks....
>>
>>>> And just traded down again.
>>
>>> For the guy they picked they could have traded down 4 more
>>> times too.......I don't like passing on Kindle at all....this
>>> guy had better be a player because forget Bellichick's picks
>>> his LB non picks that he's passed on have proven to be a
>>> pretty decent bunch the last 3 years and Kindle could join
>>> that group.
>>
>>> =======================================================================
>>
>>> Yeah a CB . a good one is hard to find. this guy better pan
>>> out.
>>> I was sure they saw Kindle was safe for them. I thought LBs
>>> were a need,
>>
>> I don't like this pick at all. Reminds me of the Canty pick
>> years ago. With all of their needs, they pick a special teamer?
>> The Pats almost always pick mutts who only finally pan out in
>> the last year of their contracts. It's rediculous.
>
> To me I love picking great athletes but where does he play EVEN
> if he's great..you have like 5 corners and 3 safeties as is.
I wouldn't mind so much if he was very highly touted. By the time
he'd be ready to staart, there'd be room. But I can't see any
appreciable difference between this guy and what they could've had
in the 2nd or 3rd round.
== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 8:30 am
From: Julio
In article <RIednfyhqpDit0zWnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@giganews.com>
"Remy McSwain" <Paradis70...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I don't like this pick at all. Reminds me of the Canty pick years ago.
> With all of their needs, they pick a special teamer? The Pats almost always
> pick mutts who only finally pan out in the last year of their contracts.
> It's rediculous.
The Pats have a mediocre backfield. The Pats almost always finish
first in their division so they don't get many high picks. The last
thing close to a superstar they got was Asante Samuel, he was a
fourth round pick. It's all a total crapshoot, better to have lots
of picks in the lower rounds if you don't finish last in the league.
J.
== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 2:11 pm
From: "Remy McSwain"
In news:17a862d9bafce8944a6bee144e0fdb20@rip.ax.lt,
Julio <hoolio3sanchez@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <RIednfyhqpDit0zWnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@giganews.com>
> "Remy McSwain" <Paradis70...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I don't like this pick at all. Reminds me of the Canty pick
>> years ago. With all of their needs, they pick a special teamer?
>> The Pats almost always pick mutts who only finally pan out in
>> the last year of their contracts. It's rediculous.
>
> The Pats have a mediocre backfield. The Pats almost always finish
> first in their division so they don't get many high picks. The
> last thing close to a superstar they got was Asante Samuel, he
> was a fourth round pick. It's all a total crapshoot, better to
> have lots of picks in the lower rounds if you don't finish last
> in the league.
I agree that much of it is speculative, but some are better than
others at maximizing their chances for success, and I dont think the
Pats are at the top of that heap.
== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 2:27 pm
From: "Ron W."
"Remy McSwain" <Paradis70080@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:E6-dnUtmRLx6kU_WnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> In news:17a862d9bafce8944a6bee144e0fdb20@rip.ax.lt,
> Julio <hoolio3sanchez@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> In article <RIednfyhqpDit0zWnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@giganews.com>
>> "Remy McSwain" <Paradis70...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't like this pick at all. Reminds me of the Canty pick
>>> years ago. With all of their needs, they pick a special teamer?
>>> The Pats almost always pick mutts who only finally pan out in
>>> the last year of their contracts. It's rediculous.
>>
>> The Pats have a mediocre backfield. The Pats almost always finish
>> first in their division so they don't get many high picks. The
>> last thing close to a superstar they got was Asante Samuel, he
>> was a fourth round pick. It's all a total crapshoot, better to
>> have lots of picks in the lower rounds if you don't finish last
>> in the league.
>
> I agree that much of it is speculative, but some are better than others at
> maximizing their chances for success, and I dont think the Pats are at the
> top of that heap.
In fact, over the last five years, 31% of Pats draft picks are still on the
roster, ranked 32nd in the league.
>
>
== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 2:39 pm
From: "Remy McSwain"
In news:hqt3br$qu7$1@news.eternal-september.org,
Ron W. <ronchamp1@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Remy McSwain" <Paradis70080@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:E6-dnUtmRLx6kU_WnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> In news:17a862d9bafce8944a6bee144e0fdb20@rip.ax.lt,
>> Julio <hoolio3sanchez@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> In article <RIednfyhqpDit0zWnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@giganews.com>
>>> "Remy McSwain" <Paradis70...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't like this pick at all. Reminds me of the Canty pick
>>>> years ago. With all of their needs, they pick a special
>>>> teamer? The Pats almost always pick mutts who only finally
>>>> pan out in the last year of their contracts. It's rediculous.
>>>
>>> The Pats have a mediocre backfield. The Pats almost always
>>> finish first in their division so they don't get many high
>>> picks. The last thing close to a superstar they got was Asante
>>> Samuel, he was a fourth round pick. It's all a total
>>> crapshoot, better to have lots of picks in the lower rounds if
>>> you don't finish last in the league.
>>
>> I agree that much of it is speculative, but some are better
>> than others at maximizing their chances for success, and I dont
>> think the Pats are at the top of that heap.
>
>
> In fact, over the last five years, 31% of Pats draft picks are
> still on the roster, ranked 32nd in the league.
What do you mean by that ranking?
== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 3:56 pm
From: "Ron W."
"Remy McSwain" <Paradis70080@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:DeSdnU5KxsoQjk_WnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> In news:hqt3br$qu7$1@news.eternal-september.org,
> Ron W. <ronchamp1@comcast.net> wrote:
>> "Remy McSwain" <Paradis70080@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:E6-dnUtmRLx6kU_WnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> In news:17a862d9bafce8944a6bee144e0fdb20@rip.ax.lt,
>>> Julio <hoolio3sanchez@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> In article <RIednfyhqpDit0zWnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@giganews.com>
>>>> "Remy McSwain" <Paradis70...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't like this pick at all. Reminds me of the Canty pick
>>>>> years ago. With all of their needs, they pick a special
>>>>> teamer? The Pats almost always pick mutts who only finally
>>>>> pan out in the last year of their contracts. It's rediculous.
>>>>
>>>> The Pats have a mediocre backfield. The Pats almost always
>>>> finish first in their division so they don't get many high
>>>> picks. The last thing close to a superstar they got was Asante
>>>> Samuel, he was a fourth round pick. It's all a total
>>>> crapshoot, better to have lots of picks in the lower rounds if
>>>> you don't finish last in the league.
>>>
>>> I agree that much of it is speculative, but some are better
>>> than others at maximizing their chances for success, and I dont
>>> think the Pats are at the top of that heap.
>>
>>
>> In fact, over the last five years, 31% of Pats draft picks are
>> still on the roster, ranked 32nd in the league.
>
> What do you mean by that ranking?
I mean that 31 other teams have a better percentage of their draft picks
actually making the team.
>
>
== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 4:28 pm
From: Husky
On Apr 23, 6:56 pm, "Ron W." <roncha...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Remy McSwain" <Paradis70...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:DeSdnU5KxsoQjk_WnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>
>
> > Innews:hqt3br$qu7$1@news.eternal-september.org,
> > Ron W. <roncha...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> "Remy McSwain" <Paradis70...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:E6-dnUtmRLx6kU_WnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> >>> Innews:17a862d9bafce8944a6bee144e0fdb20@rip.ax.lt,
> >>> Julio <hoolio3sanc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> In article <RIednfyhqpDit0zWnZ2dnUVZ_oSdn...@giganews.com>
> >>>> "Remy McSwain" <Paradis70...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> I don't like this pick at all. Reminds me of the Canty pick
> >>>>> years ago. With all of their needs, they pick a special
> >>>>> teamer? The Pats almost always pick mutts who only finally
> >>>>> pan out in the last year of their contracts. It's rediculous.
>
> >>>> The Pats have a mediocre backfield. The Pats almost always
> >>>> finish first in their division so they don't get many high
> >>>> picks. The last thing close to a superstar they got was Asante
> >>>> Samuel, he was a fourth round pick. It's all a total
> >>>> crapshoot, better to have lots of picks in the lower rounds if
> >>>> you don't finish last in the league.
>
> >>> I agree that much of it is speculative, but some are better
> >>> than others at maximizing their chances for success, and I dont
> >>> think the Pats are at the top of that heap.
>
> >> In fact, over the last five years, 31% of Pats draft picks are
> >> still on the roster, ranked 32nd in the league.
>
> > What do you mean by that ranking?
>
> I mean that 31 other teams have a better percentage of their draft picks
> actually making the team.
>
>
A better percentage how, Better at retaining draft picks or at
picking players who develop into NFL players?
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TOPIC: Pats Draft
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/49817dceb70190a3?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 6:16 am
From: "Ron W."
"Ron W." <ronchamp1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hqqbh0$813$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> From all the reports that I am hearing, the Pats are looking to trade
> DOWN!
> If they leave either Kindle or Graham on the board and do that, I will
> flip out!
> Let's not get someone that we would have to pay too much, now. Get value!
I rest my case.
>
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 8:06 am
From: 788@gmail.com
I expect lots of complaints about the Pats trading down for draft
picks.
I wouild remind people though that Tom Brady, the greatest quarterback
on the planet, was a seventh round draft pick.
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TOPIC: Clausen/McCoy still available
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/ac3c3eb0012a5188?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 6:31 am
From: Michael
On Apr 22, 11:29 pm, "Ray OHara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> But Tebow drafted ,so much for those predictions by the experts.
I really dont get this... Tebow before Clausen and McCoy... Let's see
what Josh can do with him. Josh will make his name for sure if Tebow
can produce after a few years of coaching.
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TOPIC: OK, I'll say it -- I officially hate Tim Tebow
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/37dc40d00566c1a0?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 6:41 am
From: Smithee
My God, watching ESPN fawn all over that guy for twenty minutes after
Denver drafted him made me want to puke.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 7:47 am
From: "Remy McSwain"
In
news:af890960-340a-4d07-812d-09cb97dfe052@5g2000yqj.googlegroups.com,
Smithee <ssmith2010@hotmail.com> wrote:
> My God, watching ESPN fawn all over that guy for twenty minutes
> after Denver drafted him made me want to puke.
You know, I listen to the guy, and I just don't think that he's very
bright. It's seems clear to me that he's been coached as to what to
say in interviews, and so he repeats all the stuff almost without
regard to what's being asked. An example was when Gruden asked
'Let's say I draft you, what do you bring to my team?' Tebow asked
Gruden 'Let me ask you first, do you want me on your team?' Good
GAWD, man, the guy just drafted you!
I just don't think he's got the intellect to grasp complex offenses
and defenses, much less to ever be a real leader.
==============================================================================
TOPIC: Rothlessberger gets 6 games
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/1dce11a87fc1cd00?hl=en
==============================================================================
== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 11:31 am
From: "Ray OHara"
"Johnctx" <jc@spamtx.net> wrote in message
news:Ts2dnWDEV-Z9yE3WnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Ray OHara wrote:
>> "MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
>> news:_PSdnUrBhbkoMlLWnZ2dnUVZ_tEAAAAA@giganews.com...
>>> Harlan Lachman wrote:
>>>> In article <hqngbn$on9$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>> "Ray OHara" <raymond-ohara@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> alleged serial rapist Ben Rothlessberger received a 6 game suspension
>>>>> from the NFL.
>>>>>
>>>>> this will leave a black mark on his permanant record.
>>>> Ray, what I like about your post is that it admits the reason for the
>>>> suspension. In the no fun league, being guilty enough to be indicted is
>>>> not necessary. I drank when underage. I probably served booze to girls
>>>> who were sloshed. If I could of and they would have I probably would
>>>> have.
>>>>
>>>> The bogus thing about this suspension is that many of us would buy
>>>> drinks for a pretty girl in a bar and none of us would card her. So the
>>>> behavior except for the alleged rape is nothing to complain about.
>>>>
>>>> That is why your subject line is so true. Alleged.
>>>>
>>>> While I never went in a girls bathroom and did the deed, it seems wierd
>>>> that there was not enough DNA to warrant taking any.
>>>>
>>>> Having the DA submit her testimony to the press after deciding not to
>>>> press charges, having her not scream out and have witnesses, not press
>>>> charges in the bar, seems like slander since it was not given in a
>>>> public forum, under oath, facing a witness.
>>>>
>>>> This whole thing stinks.
>>>>
>>>> h
>>> I'm with you on this, Harlan. The "personal conduct" clause is what
>>> stinks. In my view, this is between him and the team.
>>>
>>> I also don't understand why they're shopping him. I know owners care
>>> about PR, but if I was a Steelers fan I'd be irate.
>>
>>
>> it reflects badly on the league. he makes millions, he has an obligation
>> not to force himself on underage girls.
>>
>>
>
> Out of wedlock babies used to be a scandal. So should Brady have been
> suspended? The answer is obviously no. I guess I have the MZ streak of
> libertarian in me.
being pro-near if not actual rape are Libertarian positions?.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 11:44 am
From: MZ
Ray OHara wrote:
> "Johnctx" <jc@spamtx.net> wrote in message
> news:Ts2dnWDEV-Z9yE3WnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> Ray OHara wrote:
>>> "MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
>>> news:_PSdnUrBhbkoMlLWnZ2dnUVZ_tEAAAAA@giganews.com...
>>>> Harlan Lachman wrote:
>>>>> In article <hqngbn$on9$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>>> "Ray OHara" <raymond-ohara@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> alleged serial rapist Ben Rothlessberger received a 6 game suspension
>>>>>> from the NFL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> this will leave a black mark on his permanant record.
>>>>> Ray, what I like about your post is that it admits the reason for the
>>>>> suspension. In the no fun league, being guilty enough to be indicted is
>>>>> not necessary. I drank when underage. I probably served booze to girls
>>>>> who were sloshed. If I could of and they would have I probably would
>>>>> have.
>>>>>
>>>>> The bogus thing about this suspension is that many of us would buy
>>>>> drinks for a pretty girl in a bar and none of us would card her. So the
>>>>> behavior except for the alleged rape is nothing to complain about.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is why your subject line is so true. Alleged.
>>>>>
>>>>> While I never went in a girls bathroom and did the deed, it seems wierd
>>>>> that there was not enough DNA to warrant taking any.
>>>>>
>>>>> Having the DA submit her testimony to the press after deciding not to
>>>>> press charges, having her not scream out and have witnesses, not press
>>>>> charges in the bar, seems like slander since it was not given in a
>>>>> public forum, under oath, facing a witness.
>>>>>
>>>>> This whole thing stinks.
>>>>>
>>>>> h
>>>> I'm with you on this, Harlan. The "personal conduct" clause is what
>>>> stinks. In my view, this is between him and the team.
>>>>
>>>> I also don't understand why they're shopping him. I know owners care
>>>> about PR, but if I was a Steelers fan I'd be irate.
>>>
>>> it reflects badly on the league. he makes millions, he has an obligation
>>> not to force himself on underage girls.
>>>
>>>
>> Out of wedlock babies used to be a scandal. So should Brady have been
>> suspended? The answer is obviously no. I guess I have the MZ streak of
>> libertarian in me.
>
>
>
> being pro-near if not actual rape are Libertarian positions?.
It's a libertarian position to not throw the book at someone who hasn't
been found guilty of a crime.
You keep avoiding the issue: what evidence is there that a rape
occurred? I'm not trying to lead you with that question. I really
don't know. If he raped the chick, then yeah, he's a scumbag. But from
what they're saying these days, people are miffed because he's a cooz
hound and he abuses alcohol. There are also people out there who think
that a 20 year old college student getting drunk is a giant dagger right
through baby Jesus's heart.
It's Tiger all over again.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 12:10 pm
From: Harlan Lachman
In article <OqmdncSaOIccd0zWnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@giganews.com>,
MZ <mark@nospam.void> wrote:
> Ray OHara wrote:
> > "Johnctx" <jc@spamtx.net> wrote in message
> > news:Ts2dnWDEV-Z9yE3WnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@giganews.com...
> >> Ray OHara wrote:
> >>> "MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
> >>> news:_PSdnUrBhbkoMlLWnZ2dnUVZ_tEAAAAA@giganews.com...
> >>>> Harlan Lachman wrote:
> >>>>> In article <hqngbn$on9$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >>>>> "Ray OHara" <raymond-ohara@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> alleged serial rapist Ben Rothlessberger received a 6 game suspension
> >>>>>> from the NFL.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> this will leave a black mark on his permanant record.
> >>>>> Ray, what I like about your post is that it admits the reason for the
> >>>>> suspension. In the no fun league, being guilty enough to be indicted is
> >>>>> not necessary. I drank when underage. I probably served booze to girls
> >>>>> who were sloshed. If I could of and they would have I probably would
> >>>>> have.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The bogus thing about this suspension is that many of us would buy
> >>>>> drinks for a pretty girl in a bar and none of us would card her. So the
> >>>>> behavior except for the alleged rape is nothing to complain about.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That is why your subject line is so true. Alleged.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> While I never went in a girls bathroom and did the deed, it seems wierd
> >>>>> that there was not enough DNA to warrant taking any.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Having the DA submit her testimony to the press after deciding not to
> >>>>> press charges, having her not scream out and have witnesses, not press
> >>>>> charges in the bar, seems like slander since it was not given in a
> >>>>> public forum, under oath, facing a witness.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This whole thing stinks.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> h
> >>>> I'm with you on this, Harlan. The "personal conduct" clause is what
> >>>> stinks. In my view, this is between him and the team.
> >>>>
> >>>> I also don't understand why they're shopping him. I know owners care
> >>>> about PR, but if I was a Steelers fan I'd be irate.
> >>>
> >>> it reflects badly on the league. he makes millions, he has an obligation
> >>> not to force himself on underage girls.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Out of wedlock babies used to be a scandal. So should Brady have been
> >> suspended? The answer is obviously no. I guess I have the MZ streak of
> >> libertarian in me.
> >
> >
> >
> > being pro-near if not actual rape are Libertarian positions?.
>
> It's a libertarian position to not throw the book at someone who hasn't
> been found guilty of a crime.
>
> You keep avoiding the issue: what evidence is there that a rape
> occurred? I'm not trying to lead you with that question. I really
> don't know. If he raped the chick, then yeah, he's a scumbag. But from
> what they're saying these days, people are miffed because he's a cooz
> hound and he abuses alcohol. There are also people out there who think
> that a 20 year old college student getting drunk is a giant dagger right
> through baby Jesus's heart.
>
> It's Tiger all over again.
I disagree Mark. Tiger was a slut who happened to be married, cheated on
his wife, caused pain to his child(ren), and humiliated his wife.
To my knowledge, Ben is not married and like any red blooded american
male likes to get it while he can.
You are right that liking to drink and f--k offend many americans. But
since both can be a crime (e.g., DWI, public intoxication, statutory
rape, rape, etc.) and he is not even charged with one, this stinks.
harlan
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 5:28 pm
From: "Ray OHara"
"MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
news:OqmdncSaOIccd0zWnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Ray OHara wrote:
>> "Johnctx" <jc@spamtx.net> wrote in message
>> news:Ts2dnWDEV-Z9yE3WnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> Ray OHara wrote:
>>>> "MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
>>>> news:_PSdnUrBhbkoMlLWnZ2dnUVZ_tEAAAAA@giganews.com...
>>>>> Harlan Lachman wrote:
>>>>>> In article <hqngbn$on9$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>>>> "Ray OHara" <raymond-ohara@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> alleged serial rapist Ben Rothlessberger received a 6 game
>>>>>>> suspension from the NFL.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> this will leave a black mark on his permanant record.
>>>>>> Ray, what I like about your post is that it admits the reason for the
>>>>>> suspension. In the no fun league, being guilty enough to be indicted
>>>>>> is not necessary. I drank when underage. I probably served booze to
>>>>>> girls who were sloshed. If I could of and they would have I probably
>>>>>> would have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The bogus thing about this suspension is that many of us would buy
>>>>>> drinks for a pretty girl in a bar and none of us would card her. So
>>>>>> the behavior except for the alleged rape is nothing to complain
>>>>>> about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is why your subject line is so true. Alleged.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While I never went in a girls bathroom and did the deed, it seems
>>>>>> wierd that there was not enough DNA to warrant taking any.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having the DA submit her testimony to the press after deciding not to
>>>>>> press charges, having her not scream out and have witnesses, not
>>>>>> press charges in the bar, seems like slander since it was not given
>>>>>> in a public forum, under oath, facing a witness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This whole thing stinks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> h
>>>>> I'm with you on this, Harlan. The "personal conduct" clause is what
>>>>> stinks. In my view, this is between him and the team.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also don't understand why they're shopping him. I know owners care
>>>>> about PR, but if I was a Steelers fan I'd be irate.
>>>>
>>>> it reflects badly on the league. he makes millions, he has an
>>>> obligation not to force himself on underage girls.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Out of wedlock babies used to be a scandal. So should Brady have been
>>> suspended? The answer is obviously no. I guess I have the MZ streak of
>>> libertarian in me.
>>
>>
>>
>> being pro-near if not actual rape are Libertarian positions?.
>
> It's a libertarian position to not throw the book at someone who hasn't
> been found guilty of a crime.
>
> You keep avoiding the issue: what evidence is there that a rape occurred?
> I'm not trying to lead you with that question. I really don't know. If
> he raped the chick, then yeah, he's a scumbag. But from what they're
> saying these days, people are miffed because he's a cooz hound and he
> abuses alcohol. There are also people out there who think that a 20 year
> old college student getting drunk is a giant dagger right through baby
> Jesus's heart.
>
> It's Tiger all over again.
none of Tiger's "GFs" accused him of forcing themselves on them.
there was no police investigation.
its not like tiger at all.
and this isn't Bens first time being so accused. the first incident ins't
even resolved there will be a civil suit.
that might happen again with the Ga case.
once, yeah give him the benefit. but this is the second major allegation and
there are rumours.
the NFL isn't the criminal court. the rules are different.
and its better he learn his lesson now rather than after he really gets
caught and goes to prison.
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TOPIC: Cunningham
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/77dc939b1093ff39?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 4:47 pm
From: "Len"
Jerome Cunningham
6-3 252 from Florida
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TOPIC: Pick 62
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/924e400e8637a9ba?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 5:24 pm
From: "Len"
Brandon Spikes ILB from Florida.
6-3 249
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TOPIC: Tebow Facts: Part Uno
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/76a29529517c8270?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 6:07 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"
# Tim Tebow can eat just 1 Lays potato chip.
# Scientists are having to change the "laws of physics" because of Tim
Tebow.
# Tim Tebow > Herschel Walker + Peyton Manning.
# Tim Tebow's energy is causing global warming.
# When Tim Tebow has a headache, the whole world hurts!
# When Tamiflu gets sick, it takes Tim Tebow.
# Hurricanes only hit Florida when Tim Tebow is on vacation, to bad he
doesn't go on vacation.
# Tim Tebow let the dogs out, want to make something of it?
# Tim Tebow laughed when he saw this website and pounded his laptop so
hard that 15 new facts were added, including this one.
# God sometimes wonders if Tim tebow really exists.
# When Tim Tebow makes a great play he points to the sky, when other
players make a great play they point to Tim Tebow.
# If you Google "Tim Tebow mistakes" you get one result saying, "Tim
Tebow thought he made a mistake once, but he was mistaken."
# In an emergency, Tim Tebow cannot be used as a flotation device.
He'll simply climb out the emergence exit, grab the plane by the wing
and throw it to its destination. He will then fly himself to the
airport, beating the plane there, and then catch the plane and place
it safely on the ground. This is why pilots use the phrase "touchdown"
when landing.
# Tim Tebow does not travel at the speed of light, light travels at
the speed of Tim Tebow.
# When Tim Tebow was born, three people cried. His mother and father
for being given such a beautiful, healthy baby, and the doctor. Hey,
what'd you expect to happen to the first guy who slapped Tim Tebow?
# The woman who tried to buy the stairway to heaven learned she only
had to pay a small toll to Tim Tebow who then donated the toll to the
poor
# Tim Tebow has had to register each of his 206 bones as a concealed
lethal weapon. His auditory ossicles (inner ear bones) once took down
a wave of Palestinian rockets fired into Israel's West Bank
# Hostile alien races do exist. They just know better than to try to
attack Earth while Tim Tebow's on it.
# Cars look both ways just in case Tim Tebow is crossing the street.
# Tim Tebow can not only judge a book by its cover, he can read it,
give you a detailed synopsis, and tell you what the author's favorite
food is.
# When Tim Tebow broke his leg in high school, the doctors didn't
apply bandages or gauze. They wrapped his leg in barbed wire.
# Tim Tebow has counted out pi to its final decimal place.
# Schools did not determine their uniform colors randomly. They chose
the best hues that would cover up the bruises left on them by Tim
Tebow.
# Kim Jong Il refused to release those American journalists until we
threatened to send Tim Tebow over.
# When the irresistible force met the immovable object, the result was
Tim Tebow.
# Tim Tebow was once caught between a rock and hard place. Neither the
rock nor the hard place remain standing today.
# Instead of getting in the ice tub or whirlpool after a game, Tim
Tebow prefers going to the Agricultural College and wrestling steers.
# Tim Tebow was late for practice one day.The rest of the team had to
run laps for being early.
# Tebow can make a paraplegic run for his life.
# Outer space exists because it is scared to be on the same planet as
Tebow.
mr dude
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TOPIC: Tebow Facts Part Deux
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Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 6:08 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"
# Tebow does not sleep, he waits.
# Tebow can kill two stones with one bird.
# Tebow can build a snowman out of rain.
# Whoever coined the phrase "defense wins championship" obviously
never heard of Tim Tebow.
# Jack Bauer needs 24 hours to save the world, Tebow needs just one.
# Tim Tebow is the only known player to score on offense without the
ball.
# Notre Dame players now touch a "Play like Tim Tebow today" sign
while heading out to the field.
# When the President asks for the football to order a nuclear strike,
the launch codes are Tim Tebow�s cell phone number.
# Tim Tebow doesn't mow the grass.......He dares it to grow!
# Tim Tebow can stiff arm through all 6 degrees of separation hitting
anyone, anywhere at any time.
# It's been said that Jesus Christ is the Tim Tebow of Christianity.
# The eternal conundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets
an immovable object" was finally solved when Tim Tebow stiff armed
himself in the face.
# People used to say they feel like they got run over by a bus. Now
they say they feel like they were hit by Tim Tebow.
# Tim Tebow told the NFL, "I'll be there when I'm ready. And dont ask
me again!!!!!!!!"
# When Tim Tebow Jumps He doesn't land, rather the earth is pulled to
him with his gravitational pull, the same one that allows defenders to
tackle him.
# Tim Tebow set Adam and Eve up on a blind date.
# Tim Tebow once raced a Ferrari. It ended in a tie because the
Ferrari ran out of gas and Tim Tebow got bored.
# Time is money. Money is Tim Tebow.
# Tim Tebow invented the internet
# God wears No. 15 in his eye black.
# Notre Dame players now touch a "Play like Tim Tebow today" sign
while heading out to the field.
# When the President asks for the football to order a nuclear strike,
the launch codes are Tim Tebow's cell phone number.
# Before the 1st day Tim Tebow created God.
# Tim Tebow once won connect four in 3 moves
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TOPIC: Tebow Facts: The Trilogy
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Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 6:09 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"
# Tim Tebow's tears cure cancer, its too bad Tim Tebow doesn't cry.
# The National Hurricane Center started to name a hurricane Tim Tebow
but got scared because they feared it would destroy the world.
# Tim Tebow can see the yellow line, -referring to the yellow first
down line only see on tv.
# Tim Tebow doesn't eat. Machines don't need food.
# Tim Tebow is the real reason the Energizer Bunny keeps running, and
running, and running.
# As a child, Superman was asked who'd he want to be when he grows
up.....he said "Tim Tebow."
# Tim Tebow doesnt the throw the ball, instead it leaves his hand out
of plain fear.
# Tim Tebow doesn't get rained on, the rain gets Tim Tebow'ed.
# Tim Tebow fought the law.....and won.
# Tim Tebow doesnt make first downs, first downs come to him.
# Tim Tebow walked before he crawled.
# God made the world in six days, then rested on the 7th because 5 of
those 6 were spent making Tim Tebow.
# After the Gators beat Oklahoma in the championship game, Nike
changed their slogan to- "Just do it...like Tim Tebow!"
# Osama Bin Laden is hiding from Tim Tebow.
# If Tim Tebow were a superhero, he'd be... Tim Tebow.
# Humans pray to God, God prays to Tim Tebow.
# The Incredible Hulk doesn't want to make Tim Tebow angry.
# Tebow spiked the ball after the 2007 BCS bowl game; creating what we
now know as the Grand Canyon.
# Tim Tebow once allowed a fortune teller to read his palm.
Unfortunately, she did not see it coming.
# Tim Tebow once did a thousand one arm push-ups, with both arms tied
behind his back.
# Tim Tebow has no pubic hair. Hair cant grow on balls of steel.
# When Oprah needs advice she asks Tim Tebow.
# The average person gets 200 points for writing your name on the SAT.
Tim Tebow got 1600.
# Tim Tebow is the not the Bronko Nagurski of 2008. He wouldn't need a
plow to turn a field. He'd do it by hand.
# When Tim Tebow holds the Heisman, it puts down its stiff arm.
mr dude
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TOPIC: Tebow 4: Reloaded
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Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 6:10 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"
# Tim Tebow taught the "2 Bits" cheer to George Edmondson
# The light at the end of the tunnel isn't a freight train, it's Tim
Tebow.
# Tim Tebow played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won.
# The NCAA declared that Tim Tebow may lose his amateur status because
he is a professional ass kicker.
# God wanted to create the world in 10 days, Tim Tebow gave him 6.
# Tim Tebow once got Blackjack with one card.
# Tim Tebow's hand is the only hand that beats a Royal Flush.
# Life doesn't give Tim Tebow lemons. Life asks him which fruit he
wants.
# When you open a can of whoop-ass, Tim Tebow jumps out.
# It takes Tim Tebow 20 minutes to watch 60 Minutes.
# Tim Tebow doesn't bowl strikes, he just knocks down one pin and the
other nine faint.
# Archeologists unearthed an old english dictionary dating back to the
year 1236. It defined 'victim' as 'one who has encountered Tim Tebow
# Tim Tebow' house has no doors, only walls that he walks through.
# When Tim Tebow was denied an Egg McMuffin at McDonald's because it
was 10:35, he threw a football at the store so hard it became a
Wendy's.
# When Tim Tebow calls 1-900 numbers, he doesnt get charged. He holds
up the phone and money falls out.
# If it looks like beef, smells like beef, and tastes like beef, but
Tim Tebow says it's chicken. You better believe its chicken.
# Tim Tebow loves women. All of them. At the same time.
# Tim Tebow pummels that bridge when he gets to it.
# Tim Tebow laughs when you hit him in the funnybone.
# Superman is the Tim Tebow of superheroes.
# Tim Tebow can be at two places at once.
# Tim Tebow doesn't punch in to work. He stiff arms.
# Before going on stage for his first theatrical role, Tim Tebow was
told, "Break a leg." The entire cast was carted to the hospital
minutes later.
# Mit Wobet was the first man to spell his name backwards.
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TOPIC: Tebow 5: Revenge of the Jedi Who Wish They Were Tebow
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Date: Fri, Apr 23 2010 6:11 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"
# Tim Tebow wrote a book called "The Tim Tebow Experience". Readers
opened the book and received a pop-out stiff arm to the face.
# Tim Tebow can eat five times his body weight in tigers.
# Tim Tebow won the Tour de France on a unicycle to prove to Lance
Armstrong it wasn't a big deal. He thinks yellow wristbands are gay.
# Tim Tebow could drink 24 gallons of milk in an hour without throwing
up if wanted. He chooses not to because the calcium would make his
bones so strong he would instantly kill anyone he touched.
# Tim Tebow' house has no doors, only walls that he walks through.
# What color is Tim Tebow's blood? Trick question. Tim Tebow does not
bleed.
# Tim Tebow ordered a Big Mac at Burger King, and got one.
# Tim Tebow is helping Santa this year, no reindeers needed and he'll
be finished before midnight.
# When Tebow scores a touchdown it's worth 7 points without the extra
point kick, but he always gives one back in the spirit of being a
missionary.
# Tim Tebow can get Chick-Fil-A on Sundays.
# Companies that produce solar powered products are studying Tim Tebow
because he can always find daylight.
# If at first you don't succeed...you are not Tim Tebow.
# Michigan players have been caught around campus running into brick
walls and trying to bring down lampposts. Unfortunately they will
still not be prepared to tackle Tim Tebow.
# When Tim Tebow does push ups, he isn't lifting himself up, he's
pushing the world down.
# When the bogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks the closet
for Tim Tebow.
# People with amnesia still remember Tim Tebow.
# Tim Tebow's family once threw him a surprise party. Once.
# The only reason you're still conscious is because Tim Tebow hasn't
stiff-armed you in the face.
# When Tim Tebow was a kid, he made his mom finish his vegetables.
# Superman's only weakness is kryptonite. Tim Tebow laughs at Superman
for even HAVING a weakness.
# Superman wears Tim Tebow pajamas.
# Tim Tebow counted to infinity. Twice.
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