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* rbr knows that the other shoe will drop soon ... Flandis has brought down
LANCE Inc. - 7 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/134f2f799885d4dc?hl=en
* EPO Microdosing - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/769c62da65b66fa7?hl=en
* LANCE even late in paying his bribes ... er, 'donations' - 3 messages, 3
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e7dec63feaa7e69b?hl=en
* Still in Lance's Innocence Camp ? - 7 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/791f129b5933acea?hl=en
* Has Anyone Noticed... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/833239d68598c3f8?hl=en
* would it be possible for one of you rbr graph geeks - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/119bdcf10c03eb4c?hl=en
* Monomaniacs have infiltrated the gubment - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5971e49c8f1c181a?hl=en
* Playboy at the Giro - Say What!? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/02d1d162c8503e60?hl=en
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TOPIC: rbr knows that the other shoe will drop soon ... Flandis has brought
down LANCE Inc.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/134f2f799885d4dc?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 25 2010 11:56 am
From: "F. Kurgan Gringioni"
"B. Lafferty" <bl@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>
>> Dumbass -
>>
>> You're very welcome.
>>
>> How much did you donate?
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Fred. presented by Gringioni.
>
> Nothing. And you?
Dumbass -
Nothing.
I did, however, buy three copies of "Posivitely False" last week, online.
They were new and the cheapest one cost $0.49. Fucking hilarious.
thanks,
Fred. presented by Gringioni.
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 25 2010 12:14 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"
On 5/25/2010 2:56 PM, F. Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>
> "B. Lafferty" <bl@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>
>>> Dumbass -
>>>
>>> You're very welcome.
>>>
>>> How much did you donate?
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>>
>>> Fred. presented by Gringioni.
>>
>> Nothing. And you?
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Nothing.
>
> I did, however, buy three copies of "Posivitely False" last week,
> online. They were new and the cheapest one cost $0.49. Fucking hilarious.
>
> thanks,
>
> Fred. presented by Gringioni.
Looks like you have the "Positively False" market cornered.
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 25 2010 2:33 pm
From: "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
On May 25, 12:14 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 5/25/2010 2:56 PM, F. Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote in message >>
> >>> Dumbass -
>
> >>> You're very welcome.
>
> >>> How much did you donate?
>
> >>> thanks,
>
> >>> Fred. presented by Gringioni.
>
> >> Nothing. And you?
>
> > Dumbass -
>
> > Nothing.
>
> > I did, however, buy three copies of "Posivitely False" last week,
> > online. They were new and the cheapest one cost $0.49. Fucking hilarious.
>
> > thanks,
>
> > Fred. presented by Gringioni.
>
> Looks like you have the "Positively False" market cornered.
Dumbass -
They'll make good gag gifts for my cycling buddies.
thanks,
Fred. presented by Gringioni.
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 25 2010 2:36 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"
On 5/25/2010 5:33 PM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:
> On May 25, 12:14 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 5/25/2010 2:56 PM, F. Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote in message>>
>>>>> Dumbass -
>>
>>>>> You're very welcome.
>>
>>>>> How much did you donate?
>>
>>>>> thanks,
>>
>>>>> Fred. presented by Gringioni.
>>
>>>> Nothing. And you?
>>
>>> Dumbass -
>>
>>> Nothing.
>>
>>> I did, however, buy three copies of "Posivitely False" last week,
>>> online. They were new and the cheapest one cost $0.49. Fucking hilarious.
>>
>>> thanks,
>>
>>> Fred. presented by Gringioni.
>>
>> Looks like you have the "Positively False" market cornered.
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> They'll make good gag gifts for my cycling buddies.
>
> thanks,
>
> Fred. presented by Gringioni.
You really have buddies??!!
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 25 2010 3:34 pm
From: "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
On May 25, 2:36 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 5/25/2010 5:33 PM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 25, 12:14 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >> On 5/25/2010 2:56 PM, F. Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>
> >>> "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote in message>>
> >>>>> Dumbass -
>
> >>>>> You're very welcome.
>
> >>>>> How much did you donate?
>
> >>>>> thanks,
>
> >>>>> Fred. presented by Gringioni.
>
> >>>> Nothing. And you?
>
> >>> Dumbass -
>
> >>> Nothing.
>
> >>> I did, however, buy three copies of "Posivitely False" last week,
> >>> online. They were new and the cheapest one cost $0.49. Fucking hilarious.
>
> >>> thanks,
>
> >>> Fred. presented by Gringioni.
>
> >> Looks like you have the "Positively False" market cornered.
>
> > Dumbass -
>
> > They'll make good gag gifts for my cycling buddies.
>
> > thanks,
>
> > Fred. presented by Gringioni.
>
> You really have buddies??!!
Dumbass -
I know it's hard to believe, but yes.
I'm actually getting together with someone from rbr tonite. We're
gonna show off our fleshlights, then use them while fantasizing about
h squared.
thanks,
Fred. presented by Gringioni.
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 25 2010 4:19 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"
B. Lafferty wrote:
> On 5/25/2010 1:18 PM, F. Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>>
>> "B. Lafferty" <bl@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:G4KdneTONd98mGHWnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> On 5/25/2010 11:35 AM, F. Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "raamman" <raamman@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4fec21bc-75ac-4524-a8fe-...
>>>>
>>>> :: after the Feds look further into his claim and determine it was all
>>>> :: made up Floyd will be going away for awhile.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dumbass -
>>>>
>>>> It's impossible to prove that Floyd made it all up.
>>>>
>>>> If it were possible, however, it would show that everyone who
>>>> donated to
>>>> the Floyd Fairness Fund was ripped off. He lied to them.
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Fred. presented by Gringioni.
>>> Thanks for sharing your hard on for the Floyd Fairness Fund, Fred.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dumbass -
>>
>> You're very welcome.
>>
>> How much did you donate?
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Fred. presented by Gringioni.
>
> Nothing. And you?
I remember that you were CERTAIN Floyd was clean all throughout the 2006
TdF on the basis of his nonrobotness. When did you figure out that
your evaluation methodology was fucked up?
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 25 2010 4:54 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"
On 5/25/2010 6:34 PM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:
> On May 25, 2:36 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 5/25/2010 5:33 PM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 25, 12:14 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> On 5/25/2010 2:56 PM, F. Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>>
>>>>> "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote in message>>
>>>>>>> Dumbass -
>>
>>>>>>> You're very welcome.
>>
>>>>>>> How much did you donate?
>>
>>>>>>> thanks,
>>
>>>>>>> Fred. presented by Gringioni.
>>
>>>>>> Nothing. And you?
>>
>>>>> Dumbass -
>>
>>>>> Nothing.
>>
>>>>> I did, however, buy three copies of "Posivitely False" last week,
>>>>> online. They were new and the cheapest one cost $0.49. Fucking hilarious.
>>
>>>>> thanks,
>>
>>>>> Fred. presented by Gringioni.
>>
>>>> Looks like you have the "Positively False" market cornered.
>>
>>> Dumbass -
>>
>>> They'll make good gag gifts for my cycling buddies.
>>
>>> thanks,
>>
>>> Fred. presented by Gringioni.
>>
>> You really have buddies??!!
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> I know it's hard to believe, but yes.
>
> I'm actually getting together with someone from rbr tonite. We're
> gonna show off our fleshlights, then use them while fantasizing about
> h squared.
>
> thanks,
>
> Fred. presented by Gringioni.
Very hard to believe. Hopefully one of your buddies will bring some anal
beads. Have fun.
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TOPIC: EPO Microdosing
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/769c62da65b66fa7?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, May 25 2010 12:39 pm
From: Jim Feeley
On 5/25/10 9:51 AM, in article htgv63$pcs$1@news.eternal-september.org,
"Fred on a stick" <anonymous.coward@address.invalid> wrote:
> Brad Anders wrote:
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/26/sports/cycling/26micro.html
>
> From that article:
> "An earlier version of this article confused hematocrit with hemoglobin in
> several instances."
Sigh. This stuff isn't that hard to understand, even for a dumbass like me.
I wish reporters would do a little more homework before they publish.
Jim
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, May 25 2010 4:43 pm
From: Amit Ghosh
On May 25, 11:49 am, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/26/sports/cycling/26micro.html
dumbass,
another advantage with microdosing it that it's cheaper than regular
dosing.
most master fatties though are into super-sizing.
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TOPIC: LANCE even late in paying his bribes ... er, 'donations'
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e7dec63feaa7e69b?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, May 25 2010 1:26 pm
From: bar
On May 25, 1:05 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 25, 10:48 am, bar <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "[McQuaid] refused comparisons with a football team perhaps making a
> > donation to a match referee but embarrassingly admitted that despite
> > promising the $100,000 in April of 2002, Armstrong only paid up in
> > 2005 after the UCI sent him a reminder of payment."
>
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mcquaid-acknowledges-accepting-armstr...
>
> GOD DAMN EMBARRASSING.
>
> I'm ashamed that these morans are in charge of this sport.
>
> http://webpages.charter.net/solon7766/Political/moranstcharlesmo.jpg
more embarrassing than that sign are those fucking mullets. but then,
at least now we know what Laurent Brochard has been up to ... that's
clearly him on the left.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, May 25 2010 2:19 pm
From: Betty Munro
Keith wrote:
>> 2002, eh ? Interesting because that ties in with Floyd's
>> statement...sounds to me like the deal was "I'll give you money if you
>> leave me alone until I retire".
RicodJour wrote:
> You're tone deaf.
Is there an aural equivalent of colour blind ?
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, May 25 2010 7:18 pm
From: RobertH
On May 25, 9:48 am, bar <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "[McQuaid] refused comparisons with a football team perhaps making a
> donation to a match referee but embarrassingly admitted that despite
> promising the $100,000 in April of 2002, Armstrong only paid up in
> 2005 after the UCI sent him a reminder of payment."
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mcquaid-acknowledges-accepting-armstr...
"He said he was convinced that most of the riders are now competing
cleanly but was forced to make a damn admission that it might not have
been the case just three of four years ago."
It really says that.
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TOPIC: Still in Lance's Innocence Camp ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/791f129b5933acea?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 25 2010 3:26 pm
From: Anton Berlin
On May 25, 1:04 pm, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> In article
> <9e4e50f7-0080-411c-94ef-75807b9cf...@y21g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
> Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > The oceans of so called 'circumstantial evidence', ex-teammates and
> > contemporaries caught red handed, money paid to the governing body
> > (why the only cyclist ever to do this?) Floyd's confession, Strock
> > testimony and evidence, Carmichael and USCF settlement, the steroid
> > positive, the positive EPO findings on A samples, microdosing
> > techniques and somehow you still believe Lance Armstrong is clean?
>
> > Stand up be counted. Post your denials and delusions here.
>
> How about you naming names?
> When did you stop believing LANCE was clean?
>
> --
> Old Fritz
Sometime in the early 90s while he was at the OTC.
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 25 2010 3:31 pm
From: Anton Berlin
On May 25, 1:34 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> IMO, it's impossible to name any current pro male cyclist that you're
> certain is not doping or has never doped in the past. You can't depend
> on "clean" test results, nor does anyone's "word" mean anything. Given
> this situation (which I don't see ever changing), the only way I've
> found that I can remain interested in bike racing is to assume that
> everyone who is racing is doing what's required to level the playing
> field, and that what I'm watching is a fair game. Those that make
> mistakes, or go too far in trying to gain an advantage, risk detection
> and draconian sanctions. Maybe Lance is approaching that point, maybe
> not.
>
> Brad Anders
Agreed. But Lance (way more than Floyd) could fix the sport - or
maybe not.
I like Henry's POV - we like to see the drama and who cares if it's
played out at 15.3 or 18.7 MPH in the cols?
But there is something most would wannabes want to know - where do I
compare to the pros? We (golf, cycling, etc) can use the same
equipment and some of us can even train to the same degree but this
bullshit doping really kills the sport because some think "it's not
worth it" and others think "what's the use?"
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 25 2010 3:37 pm
From: "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
On May 25, 3:31 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 25, 1:34 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > IMO, it's impossible to name any current pro male cyclist that you're
> > certain is not doping or has never doped in the past. You can't depend
> > on "clean" test results, nor does anyone's "word" mean anything. Given
> > this situation (which I don't see ever changing), the only way I've
> > found that I can remain interested in bike racing is to assume that
> > everyone who is racing is doing what's required to level the playing
> > field, and that what I'm watching is a fair game. Those that make
> > mistakes, or go too far in trying to gain an advantage, risk detection
> > and draconian sanctions. Maybe Lance is approaching that point, maybe
> > not.
>
> > Brad Anders
>
> Agreed. But Lance (way more than Floyd) could fix the sport - or
> maybe not.
Dumbass -
I disagree with that.
I think it's impossible to get rid of doping in sport simply because
the society in which the sports reside is full of doping.
Alcohol, nicotine, THC, caffeine, birth control hormones, viagra,
zoloft, ritalin, adderal, valium, oxycontin, yada, yada, yada.
People like their chemicals.
thanks,
Fred. presented by Gringioni.
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 25 2010 3:50 pm
From: --D-y
On May 25, 5:37 pm, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
<kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 25, 3:31 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 25, 1:34 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > IMO, it's impossible to name any current pro male cyclist that you're
> > > certain is not doping or has never doped in the past. You can't depend
> > > on "clean" test results, nor does anyone's "word" mean anything. Given
> > > this situation (which I don't see ever changing), the only way I've
> > > found that I can remain interested in bike racing is to assume that
> > > everyone who is racing is doing what's required to level the playing
> > > field, and that what I'm watching is a fair game. Those that make
> > > mistakes, or go too far in trying to gain an advantage, risk detection
> > > and draconian sanctions. Maybe Lance is approaching that point, maybe
> > > not.
>
> > > Brad Anders
>
> > Agreed. But Lance (way more than Floyd) could fix the sport - or
> > maybe not.
>
> Dumbass -
>
> I disagree with that.
>
> I think it's impossible to get rid of doping in sport simply because
> the society in which the sports reside is full of doping.
>
> Alcohol, nicotine, THC, caffeine, birth control hormones, viagra,
> zoloft, ritalin, adderal, valium, oxycontin, yada, yada, yada.
>
> People like their chemicals.
People are rumored to dope with dangerous stuff in order to win
parking lot crits.
Add in lots of money, prestige, name in books, ability to mate with
whomever you want, etc.
Also, what is "fair"? Should Bernard or Eddy have had to carry
weighted panniers?
Not to mention, look at all the "better living through chemistry"
research is being kept secret because it is "illegal".
The rulemakers indirectly caused those EPO deaths among doper bike
racers.
Also mentioning that riding GT's is not good for the health. There is
a valid argument for riders "caring for themselves".
<http://journals.lww.com/acsm-msse/pages/articleviewer.aspx?
year=2006&issue=06000&article=00005&type=abstract>
--D-y
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 25 2010 4:33 pm
From: "K. Fred Gauss"
Anton Berlin wrote:
> The oceans of so called 'circumstantial evidence', ex-teammates and
> contemporaries caught red handed, money paid to the governing body
> (why the only cyclist ever to do this?) Floyd's confession, Strock
> testimony and evidence, Carmichael and USCF settlement, the steroid
> positive, the positive EPO findings on A samples, microdosing
> techniques and somehow you still believe Lance Armstrong is clean?
>
> Stand up be counted. Post your denials and delusions here.
Many people believe Armstrong doped and Lemond is a bit crazy and that
Landis is vindictive. These are not mutually exclusive positions.
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 25 2010 5:17 pm
From: Brad Anders
On May 25, 3:37 pm, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
<kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 25, 3:31 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 25, 1:34 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > IMO, it's impossible to name any current pro male cyclist that you're
> > > certain is not doping or has never doped in the past. You can't depend
> > > on "clean" test results, nor does anyone's "word" mean anything. Given
> > > this situation (which I don't see ever changing), the only way I've
> > > found that I can remain interested in bike racing is to assume that
> > > everyone who is racing is doing what's required to level the playing
> > > field, and that what I'm watching is a fair game. Those that make
> > > mistakes, or go too far in trying to gain an advantage, risk detection
> > > and draconian sanctions. Maybe Lance is approaching that point, maybe
> > > not.
>
> > > Brad Anders
>
> > Agreed. But Lance (way more than Floyd) could fix the sport - or
> > maybe not.
>
> Dumbass -
>
> I disagree with that.
>
> I think it's impossible to get rid of doping in sport simply because
> the society in which the sports reside is full of doping.
>
> Alcohol, nicotine, THC, caffeine, birth control hormones, viagra,
> zoloft, ritalin, adderal, valium, oxycontin, yada, yada, yada.
>
> People like their chemicals.
>
> thanks,
>
> Fred. presented by Gringioni.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I agree, I don't see doping going away - ever. Testing can never
assure that any sport is "clean", because there are protocols that can
be used (see my other post on "EPO microdosing") that render
detectable drugs essentially undetectable, and there are likely to be
more drugs and methods that emerge that will not be detectable at all.
As you say, people like their chemicals. Worse yet, we're sitting on
the cusp of the potential for the use of genetic engineering as
applied to sport.
The other issue is that the kind of altruistic world where athletes
would compete "clean" because it's the "right thing to do" is a
fantasy. As D-y said, you've got people juicing to win parking lot
crits. Hell, I've had people pull moves on me in races that were
incredibly dangerous, just to win a fucking T-shirt. Give guys the
chance to stand on the podium in Paris if they can squeek by the
testers using juice? Plenty will take the chance and plenty already
have.
What's the solution? There isn't one. You aren't going to get rid of
drugs, and because of political and legal pressures, you can't just
turn off testing and let it be a free-for-all. I prefer to look at
testing as keeping a leash on those that are going beyond leveling the
playing field, or weeding out the idiots who can't manage their
medical program. Given this state of affairs, I'm happy to watch any
pro cycling event and assume everyone who is racing is informed of the
risks and benefits, and has made their own decisions. Can't say I'd
rather be in their place, nor do I care to compare my pathetic efforts
on the bike to them, either.
Brad Anders
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 25 2010 6:23 pm
From: Anton Berlin
My solution -
1. outside agency with no vested interests to conduct all testing and
rulings,
2. some high % (80-90) of winnings and endorsements placed in a trust
for some set period ( 5-7 years) , only released after all samples are
retested with new technology and knowledge. forfeited funds go to
clean riders proportionately that raced and placed in the same period
3. retroactive tests mean forfeiture of all funds, single elimination
for lifetime but with multi-level tests on positives (a and b and at
redundant labs)
4. the elimination of all medical exclusions - doesn't allow a cheat
to get a note from the dr before or after the fact - fuck em, they
should have picked better parents
5. the return of the racing bike - no more specialty bikes for tts,
hill climbs etc - just a regular road bike and with the current
regulations.
6. lastly as a fatty master all riders have to ballast their machines
to an equal weight ( if it's good enugh for nascar it's good enough
for the tour de france. - alright schlecks lets see how you climb
that mountain now. )
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TOPIC: Has Anyone Noticed...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/833239d68598c3f8?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, May 25 2010 3:57 pm
From: raamman
On May 25, 2:41 pm, "Mark J." <MarkUse...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Fred Flintstein wrote:
> > CFE's team (BMC) has lost 4 riders. No other team
> > has lost that many.
>
> > Vino's (Astana) team has lost 3 riders.
>
> Four, actually: Tiralongo on stage 6, then three more on stage 11,
> per Bob Martin's reports. (Thanks, Bob!)
>
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rvmartin2/Giro-d%27Italia_10_16.html
>
> > Duran's team (Caisse d'Epargne) has lost a single rider.
> > Sastre's team (Cervélo) is intact.
> > Basso and Nibali's team (Liquigas) is intact.
>
> > CFE and Vino will likely be alone when things hit the
> > fan. Other riders will likely not be.
>
> On the Grappa stage Liquigas played things very well, with Nibali away,
> Evans had to chase while Basso sat in and got some rest for the next
> day's Zoncalan stage.
>
> But it's also true that on the Zoncalan stage, the Liquigas train looked
> to help Evans just as much as Basso - shed all but the big boys, then
> leave it to Evans and Basso to fight it out.
>
> Mark J.
Cervelo is completely intact with 9 riders; but theres not much talk
of them for the overall- Evans is, at least earning his pay.
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TOPIC: would it be possible for one of you rbr graph geeks
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/119bdcf10c03eb4c?hl=en
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Date: Tues, May 25 2010 4:40 pm
From: bar
to whip us up a chart comparing the finishing times/speeds/etc. of top
finishers from this year's ascent of Plan de Corones and that of 2008?
"I took it easy when it wasn't steep and I sprinted when it was hard,"
Garzelli said. "For the gravelled road the smallest possible gear:
34x29. When I saw my time at the finish, one minute behind
Pellizotti's two years ago, I thought I had done really well. Maybe
the GC contenders have started too strong on the Passo Furcia."
http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/93rd-giro-ditalia-gt/stage-16/results
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TOPIC: Monomaniacs have infiltrated the gubment
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5971e49c8f1c181a?hl=en
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Date: Tues, May 25 2010 8:00 pm
From: Ben Trovato
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/26/sports/cycling/26cycling.html
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Date: Tues, May 25 2010 8:19 pm
From: dave a
On 5/25/2010 8:00 PM, Ben Trovato wrote:
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> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/26/sports/cycling/26cycling.html
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Investigating US Postal team from 1996-2004? What's the statute of
limitations on fraud? If it's seven years, they better hurry.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, May 25 2010 8:53 pm
From: Anton Berlin
On May 25, 10:19 pm, dave a <blkcatREMOVET...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/25/2010 8:00 PM, Ben Trovato wrote:
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> >http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/26/sports/cycling/26cycling.html
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> Investigating US Postal team from 1996-2004? What's the statute of
> limitations on fraud? If it's seven years, they better hurry.
The SCA case was more recent - I was interviewed by SCA attorneys in
2004-05
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TOPIC: Playboy at the Giro - Say What!?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/02d1d162c8503e60?hl=en
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Date: Tues, May 25 2010 8:27 pm
From: TheCoz
Coz
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