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Today's topics:
* Two observations - 5 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d9c3e765d998886a?hl=en
* Armstrong's Artlessness - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/41ead7ce73aae673?hl=en
* Argy Bargy - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/64b5eb75dfb613df?hl=en
* "We presume he is now riding clean..." - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/dc3fbc21abc940bb?hl=en
* More kudus to Julian Dean - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1978cca078261cf0?hl=en
* Contador: "All I Really Need to Know About Being a Good Teammate I Learned
From Lance" - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/47a2f6f02b79bc57?hl=en
* Lafferty was totally fucking wrong about Lance getting arrested in France! -
3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b76f57f21176d546?hl=en
* Important Development for Tugboat* - Kibble and Bits to return ! - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/af42357ce5025c23?hl=en
* Farrar - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/a0c82fd693db60b1?hl=en
* Washington Post --More Details of Armstrong Investigation - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/faedac5e31ba3c86?hl=en
* New Road ID commercial - idiot Bob Roll discusses crashing in a forest. - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/bd6b539824584935?hl=en
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TOPIC: Two observations
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/d9c3e765d998886a?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 16 2010 11:04 am
From: Ben Trovato
On Jul 16, 9:40 am, Carl Sundquist <carl.sundqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> First, just a reminder: If not for the protest led by Saxo teammate
> Cancellara that allowed Schleck to catch up to the peloton, Schleck
> would be about 4 minutes behind Contador.
>
> Second, does anyone besides the French give a damn about the mountains
> classification anymore?
Saxo wasn't the only team with its leaders behind, and if the others
had wanted to ride, they would have (remember the protest against
Cavendish in the Tour de Suisse?). I'd rather see gaps caused by a
known conditions like pavés or an HC col than occuring as the result
of some motor oil spilled across the road.
The non-French teams are built around their contenders for yellow or
green; and a decline in the number of summit finishes makes it easier
for spotted jersey contenders to go early and finish late.
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 16 2010 11:21 am
From: Anton Berlin
On Jul 16, 12:33 pm, Jimmy July <J...@JimmyJim.JimJimJim> wrote:
> On 07/16/2010 09:42 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
>
> > Who want's the tour to end before it gets started and because of
> > shitty course selection?
>
> Who wants it to end because LANCE isn't winning?
Lance for fucks sake !
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 16 2010 2:12 pm
From: Frederick the Great
In article
<98977de0-7250-409f-a4ad-1d40ce90c42c@z8g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>,
Carl Sundquist <carl.sundquist@gmail.com> wrote:
> First, just a reminder: If not for the protest led by Saxo teammate
> Cancellara that allowed Schleck to catch up to the peloton, Schleck
> would be about 4 minutes behind Contador.
>
> Second, does anyone besides the French give a damn about the mountains
> classification anymore?
Possibly not. The green jersey is often won by the
fastest sprinter. The mountains jersey is never won by
the strongest climber. Look at the stages and plot
which climbs to win. Look for a single day exploit. The
green jersey is won in scrums at the finish line giving
it more glamour.
--
Old Fritz
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 16 2010 2:12 pm
From: Frederick the Great
In article <4c40980b@news.x-privat.org>,
Jimmy July <Jim@JimmyJim.JimJimJim> wrote:
> On 07/16/2010 09:42 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> > Who want's the tour to end before it gets started and because of
> > shitty course selection?
> >
>
> Who wants it to end because LANCE isn't winning?
I do!
--
Old Fritz
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 16 2010 2:17 pm
From: Uncle Dave
On Jul 16, 10:12 pm, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> In article <4c409...@news.x-privat.org>,
> Jimmy July <J...@JimmyJim.JimJimJim> wrote:
>
> > On 07/16/2010 09:42 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> > > Who want's the tour to end before it gets started and because of
> > > shitty course selection?
>
> > Who wants it to end because LANCE isn't winning?
>
> I do!
If there's anyone out there who thought that Armstrong had a cat in
hell's chance of wining this Tour, then I'd like to meet them. I have
some really neat Get-Rich-Quick schemes I'd like to discuss. All you
do is copy this email and send it to everyone in the known universe,
then send me your bank details - don't forget the password, that's
vital if you don't want anyone to steal from you - and your personal
fortune will change overnight.
UD
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TOPIC: Armstrong's Artlessness
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/41ead7ce73aae673?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 16 2010 11:12 am
From: "B. Lafferty"
On 7/16/2010 12:59 PM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> I love it. From the same people that used to sniff his chamois after
> each stage.
>
> Lance is going to start his 12 step program anyday now.
I didn't know there was a twelve step program leading to truthfulness.
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TOPIC: Argy Bargy
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/64b5eb75dfb613df?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 16 2010 11:31 am
From: Fred Flintstein
On 7/16/2010 12:36 PM, Zeno wrote:
> On Jul 16, 5:16 am, Carl Sundquist<carl.sundqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dumbass,
>>
>> One head butt is ok, but two or three isn't? If head butting is so
>> wrong there should be a specific rule against it, but there isn't.
>>
>
> There isn't a specific rule about pulling a knife and stabbing the guy
> either.
>
> Zeno
You know, I was just pondering this in the context of Superweek
sprints. A head butt or three would not get you tossed but pulling
a gun or a knife might. Maybe. There are guys at Superweek that
would have a Tour sprinter for lunch.
Fred Flintstein
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 16 2010 2:03 pm
From: Ben Trovato
On Jul 16, 8:06 am, Betty <n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> Anton Berlin wrote:
> > it's a fuggin aussie and a kiwi - for christ's sake they got rugby in
> > their blood
>
> Perhaps they should introduce a yellow card/red card system into
> sprinting. I wonder how many red cards Abdu would have got.
Depends on how well Abdu's opponents would have mastered the arts of
diving and screaming...
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 16 2010 2:42 pm
From: Carl Sundquist
On Jul 16, 12:36 pm, Zeno <zwarbirdm...@zenoswarbirdvideos.com> wrote:
> On Jul 16, 5:16 am, Carl Sundquist <carl.sundqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dumbass,
>
> > One head butt is ok, but two or three isn't? If head butting is so
> > wrong there should be a specific rule against it, but there isn't.
>
> There isn't a specific rule about pulling a knife and stabbing the guy
> either.
>
> Zeno
Dumbass,
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 16 2010 3:58 pm
From: Scott
On Jul 16, 12:31 pm, Fred Flintstein
<bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net> wrote:
> On 7/16/2010 12:36 PM, Zeno wrote:
>
> > On Jul 16, 5:16 am, Carl Sundquist<carl.sundqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Dumbass,
>
> >> One head butt is ok, but two or three isn't? If head butting is so
> >> wrong there should be a specific rule against it, but there isn't.
>
> > There isn't a specific rule about pulling a knife and stabbing the guy
> > either.
>
> > Zeno
>
> You know, I was just pondering this in the context of Superweek
> sprints. A head butt or three would not get you tossed but pulling
> a gun or a knife might. Maybe. There are guys at Superweek that
> would have a Tour sprinter for lunch.
>
> Fred Flintstein
You're assuming that the guys at Superweek could keep up with the Tour
sprinters. You can't headbutt someone if you can't catch them.
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TOPIC: "We presume he is now riding clean..."
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/dc3fbc21abc940bb?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 16 2010 11:39 am
From: Phil H
On Jul 16, 9:38 am, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 7/16/2010 12:31 PM, Carl Sundquist wrote:
>
> > On Jul 16, 10:05 am, RicodJour<ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> >> - Phil on Vino 3 km from the top
>
> >> R
>
> > Actually, he said "totally clean". It's not clear if that means bread
> > and water clean, legally clean, or totally under the radar clean.
>
> And it's a rebuttable presumption.
More than that.....it's not provable.
Phil H
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 16 2010 11:55 am
From: RicodJour
On Jul 16, 2:39 pm, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 16, 9:38 am, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > On 7/16/2010 12:31 PM, Carl Sundquist wrote:
> > > On Jul 16, 10:05 am, RicodJour<ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> - Phil on Vino 3 km from the top
>
> > > Actually, he said "totally clean". It's not clear if that means bread
> > > and water clean, legally clean, or totally under the radar clean.
Oh...I thought he was referring to his hygiene. ;)
> > And it's a rebuttable presumption.
>
> More than that.....it's not provable.
It's a presumption, not an assertation!
I thought it was a lovely way for Phil to get a dig in.
R
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TOPIC: More kudus to Julian Dean
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/1978cca078261cf0?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 16 2010 12:03 pm
From: thirty-six
On 16 July, 13:10, Dumbass <tadams...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 16, 6:23 am, thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 16 July, 11:00, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 15, 9:51 pm, drmofe <stew...@wic.co.nz> wrote:
>
> > > > ...for getting a-head of Mark Renshaw...
> > > > ...for getting in his face...
>
> > > > Capital job!
>
> > > Well, call me old fashioned, but if you're a lead out man then you're
> > > supposed to get your sprinter to the head of affairs rather than
> > > simply annoy the opposition. At the time of the "head butting"
> > > incident, Farrar isn't actually on Dean's wheel, but is behind
> > > Cavendish and dithering as to which wheel to follow.
>
> > If you know there going to be some gameplay, you want a bit of space
> > in case they come down..
>
> > > One thing's for
> > > certain it isn't Dean's. Looking at it again, Garmin's moves do seem
> > > odd, particularly from above. Firstly, Dean has evidently forgotten
> > > about his man and appears to be going for glory himself. Doh! When
> > > Cavendish goes, Farrar initially moves across to the left to follow
> > > him but, failing to get on then moves markedly to the right which
> > > brings him behind Renshaw. Renshaw then takes him back to the barrier
> > > but I can see that my first thought that was a worse move than the
> > > head-butting incident was wrong. It was just stupidity on Farrar's
> > > part. Why would you deliberately move from chasing the favourite back
> > > into the path of his lead-out man? You might not think you're going
> > > to beat him but surely if you concentrate on chasing him and have a
> > > clear path to the line you should take it? If Garmin continue to ride
> > > like that it won't matter if they get the whole of HTC disqualified
> > > somebody is going to beat them every time...
>
> > > UD- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> If Butt-Head wanted room on his right, then he should have pedaled
> faster and no let Dean speed past him on a good line.
You're right, but it's a bit much to be disqualified for a clash (even
though legal) which was instigated by another.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 16 2010 1:19 pm
From: Frederick the Great
In article
<58443455-e019-455e-944b-2616bb9aa41a@w31g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Dumbass <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 16, 6:00 am, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
> > On Jul 15, 9:51 pm, drmofe <stew...@wic.co.nz> wrote:
> >
> > > ...for getting a-head of Mark Renshaw...
> > > ...for getting in his face...
> >
> > > Capital job!
> >
> > Well, call me old fashioned, but if you're a lead out man then you're
> > supposed to get your sprinter to the head of affairs rather than
> > simply annoy the opposition. At the time of the "head butting"
> > incident, Farrar isn't actually on Dean's wheel, but is behind
> > Cavendish and dithering as to which wheel to follow. One thing's for
> > certain it isn't Dean's. Looking at it again, Garmin's moves do seem
> > odd, particularly from above. Firstly, Dean has evidently forgotten
> > about his man and appears to be going for glory himself. Doh! When
> > Cavendish goes, Farrar initially moves across to the left to follow
> > him but, failing to get on then moves markedly to the right which
> > brings him behind Renshaw. Renshaw then takes him back to the barrier
> > but I can see that my first thought that was a worse move than the
> > head-butting incident was wrong. It was just stupidity on Farrar's
> > part. Why would you deliberately move from chasing the favourite back
> > into the path of his lead-out man? You might not think you're going
> > to beat him but surely if you concentrate on chasing him and have a
> > clear path to the line you should take it? If Garmin continue to ride
> > like that it won't matter if they get the whole of HTC disqualified
> > somebody is going to beat them every time...
> >
> > UD
>
> You are completely full of crap, as anyone can see from the video:
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/15/mark-renshaw-head-butt-vi_n_648297.html
>
> Farrar was on Dean's wheel and Cav was trying to get on Dean's wheel.
> Everyone had good reason to want to be on Dean's wheel because Butt-
> Head clearly had no legs left. Butt-Head needed to come off left but
> he was fading so fast that *his* lead rider was still on his left, so
> he trying to cheat his way right.
You left out the part where Dean is drifting left into Renshaw, 1.10 et seq.
Perhaps Dean was obeying the left pointing arrow painted on the road.
> Cav was violating Farrar's line trying to get on Dean's wheel
Hunh? Farrar was sucking exhaust.
He needed a Gruber to get past Cavendish.
> since
> Butt-Head was in his way. Cav read the situation better than Farrar,
> Farrar should have resisted Cav's move to the right.
???
Cavendish moved _left_ for his sprint.
--
Old Fritz
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 16 2010 1:56 pm
From: Uncle Dave
On Jul 16, 6:35 pm, Dumbass <tadams...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 16, 9:38 am, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 16, 1:35 pm, Dumbass <tadams...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 16, 6:00 am, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 15, 9:51 pm, drmofe <stew...@wic.co.nz> wrote:
>
> > > > > ...for getting a-head of Mark Renshaw...
> > > > > ...for getting in his face...
>
> > > > > Capital job!
>
> > > > Well, call me old fashioned, but if you're a lead out man then you're
> > > > supposed to get your sprinter to the head of affairs rather than
> > > > simply annoy the opposition. At the time of the "head butting"
> > > > incident, Farrar isn't actually on Dean's wheel, but is behind
> > > > Cavendish and dithering as to which wheel to follow. One thing's for
> > > > certain it isn't Dean's. Looking at it again, Garmin's moves do seem
> > > > odd, particularly from above. Firstly, Dean has evidently forgotten
> > > > about his man and appears to be going for glory himself. Doh! When
> > > > Cavendish goes, Farrar initially moves across to the left to follow
> > > > him but, failing to get on then moves markedly to the right which
> > > > brings him behind Renshaw. Renshaw then takes him back to the barrier
> > > > but I can see that my first thought that was a worse move than the
> > > > head-butting incident was wrong. It was just stupidity on Farrar's
> > > > part. Why would you deliberately move from chasing the favourite back
> > > > into the path of his lead-out man? You might not think you're going
> > > > to beat him but surely if you concentrate on chasing him and have a
> > > > clear path to the line you should take it? If Garmin continue to ride
> > > > like that it won't matter if they get the whole of HTC disqualified
> > > > somebody is going to beat them every time...
>
> > > > UD
>
> > > You are completely full of crap, as anyone can see from the video:
>
> > Are you blind or simply won't see? Ignoring Petacchi's man coming up
> > on the right, from the moment that video first shows the overhead
> > view, Farrar is nowhere near Dean's wheel. Dean and Renshaw are
> > tussling, Cavendish is on Renshaw's wheel and Farrar is behind
> > Cavendish. The closest Farrar comes to Dean is when he has to avoid
> > him as Dean starts to slide back. I don't know what you're talking
> > about, but I'm talking about what happens in that video not somewhere
> > back along the road.
>
> > UD- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Just look at Butt-Head swerving around first to the right into Dean
> and Farrar's line and then to the left to get into Farrar's new line.
I wasn't disputing that Renshaw was out of order. You wrote "Farrar
was on Dean's wheel and Cav was trying to get on Dean's wheel."
Farrar wasn't on Dean's wheel at all in the video, maybe right at the
beginning but not in any of the footage from above. My point was that
Dean had screwed up anyway by losing Farrar and there was no reason
for Renshaw to do what he did as Farrar was adrift. Maybe he should
fit wing mirrors...
UD
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TOPIC: Contador: "All I Really Need to Know About Being a Good Teammate I
Learned From Lance"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/47a2f6f02b79bc57?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 16 2010 12:26 pm
From: Ken Prager
In article
<f23e7330-950c-4837-aae5-7bde5832a83f@e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
Carl Sundquist <carl.sundquist@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 16, 10:13 am, Ken Prager <pra...@ieee.org> wrote:
> > Vino can't be too happy right now...
>
> Perhaps, but at least AC didn't gift the stage to Rodriguez as a slap
> in the face to Vino.
AC didn't gift the stage but instead pulled Rodriguez's sorry ass along
for 2 KM. I seriously doubt that Rodriguez would have won the stage
without the help from AC.
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TOPIC: Lafferty was totally fucking wrong about Lance getting arrested in
France!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b76f57f21176d546?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 16 2010 12:43 pm
From: Frederick the Great
In article
<01649184-7c1b-4f03-831e-c52bf8d22f46@5g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>,
Anton Berlin <truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 15, 11:33 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 15, 4:42 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Cancer charity or humanitarian work is a zero sum game that Armstrong
> > > actually grifts off of. Look at how much energy and cash is put
> > > towards 'cancer'. Numerous organizations, boards and backoffices
> > > taking a piece of the pie. Liestrong's director takes a healthy $250k
> > > salary on a budget of only $32M a year.
> >
> > > Compare that with the ACS taking in a $1B a year where the CEO takes
> > > 1/10th of the comparative salary.
> >
> > > People that want to 'help' cancer patients will find a way without
> > > Lance Armstrongs bullshit charity. All he's done is cut the pie in
> > > smaller pieces added overhead costs and tried to make himself look
> > > good in others and his own twisted self image.
> >
> > > If Lance didn't play with steroids so much at the OTC he never would
> > > have given cancer a 2nd thought. Or had it in the first place more
> > > than likely.
> >
> > Doesn't it ever occur to you to look at facts before you spew???
> > There is no established link whatsoever between steroid use and
> > testicular cancer.
>
> You really stuck your cock in your mouth, Look around before you write
> stupid cunt thoughts.
>
>
>
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/11/01/2078499.htm
>
> Steroids linked to cancer, self harm, birth defects
>
> During the 1970s and 1980s, the former East Germany conducted a state-
> sanctioned program administering anabolic steroids to its athletes.
>
> Now the horrific consequences of the doping program are beginning to
> emerge.
>
> A study of 52 of the athletes has revealed that not only do they have
> serious health issues, but their children have high rates of physical
> and mental deformities.
>
> And a quarter of the athletes suffer from cancer.
>
> ( a 2005 US study showed that of various cancer patients 20% were
> former steroid users but said that more research was needed ) ( a
> typical conclusion to get more grant money)
>
> "Supplement use is common and increasing among patients with
> testicular cancer. The use of exercise performance-enhancing
> supplements was as great as 20%."
>
>
>
> http://www.ergo-log.com/teston6.html
>
> Testosterone supplement causes aggressive prostate cancer
>
>
>
> http://www.ergo-log.com/prostatecancer.html
>
> Lancet: link between prostate cancer and steroids in bodybuilder
The poison is in the dose. Any toxicologist will tell you this.
The toxicity of a substance is a very non-linear function
of the dose. Each substance has a threshold dose below which
it is not toxic.
--
Old Fritz
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 16 2010 12:53 pm
From: Frederick the Great
In article
<f63ca5be-1ce3-4ab4-9b34-1511c8ab12b0@u36g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
Anton Berlin <truth_88888@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 2nd it's in the post and link given
>
> ( a 2005 US study showed that of various cancer patients 20% were
> former steroid users but said that more research was needed ) ( a
> typical conclusion to get more grant money)
>
>
> "Supplement use is common and increasing among patients with
> testicular cancer. The use of exercise performance-enhancing
> supplements was as great as 20%."
What is the rate of PED use in the population?
The population being the at risk for testicular
cancer population.
All of what you bring up are first out of the gate
studies with headline cachet. We have seen this
before. After a while the reason for the correlation emerges.
Hormone replacement therapy.
Breast cancer screening.
Injecting Hg into infants.
Al and Parkinson's disease.
Eat margarine, not butter
because margarine is better for you.
Whoops! Another one bites the dust.
--
Old Fritz
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 16 2010 3:57 pm
From: Scott
On Jul 16, 9:28 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 16, 9:17 am, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 15, 11:47 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 15, 11:33 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 15, 4:42 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Cancer charity or humanitarian work is a zero sum game that Armstrong
> > > > > actually grifts off of. Look at how much energy and cash is put
> > > > > towards 'cancer'. Numerous organizations, boards and backoffices
> > > > > taking a piece of the pie. Liestrong's director takes a healthy $250k
> > > > > salary on a budget of only $32M a year.
>
> > > > > Compare that with the ACS taking in a $1B a year where the CEO takes
> > > > > 1/10th of the comparative salary.
>
> > > > > People that want to 'help' cancer patients will find a way without
> > > > > Lance Armstrongs bullshit charity. All he's done is cut the pie in
> > > > > smaller pieces added overhead costs and tried to make himself look
> > > > > good in others and his own twisted self image.
>
> > > > > If Lance didn't play with steroids so much at the OTC he never would
> > > > > have given cancer a 2nd thought. Or had it in the first place more
> > > > > than likely.
>
> > > > Doesn't it ever occur to you to look at facts before you spew???
> > > > There is no established link whatsoever between steroid use and
> > > > testicular cancer.
>
> > > You really stuck your cock in your mouth, Look around before you write
> > > stupid cunt thoughts.
>
> > >http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/11/01/2078499.htm
>
> > > Steroids linked to cancer, self harm, birth defects
>
> > > During the 1970s and 1980s, the former East Germany conducted a state-
> > > sanctioned program administering anabolic steroids to its athletes.
>
> > > Now the horrific consequences of the doping program are beginning to
> > > emerge.
>
> > > A study of 52 of the athletes has revealed that not only do they have
> > > serious health issues, but their children have high rates of physical
> > > and mental deformities.
>
> > > And a quarter of the athletes suffer from cancer.
>
> > > ( a 2005 US study showed that of various cancer patients 20% were
> > > former steroid users but said that more research was needed ) ( a
> > > typical conclusion to get more grant money)
>
> > > "Supplement use is common and increasing among patients with
> > > testicular cancer. The use of exercise performance-enhancing
> > > supplements was as great as 20%."
>
> > >http://www.ergo-log.com/teston6.html
>
> > > Testosterone supplement causes aggressive prostate cancer
>
> > >http://www.ergo-log.com/prostatecancer.html
>
> > > Lancet: link between prostate cancer and steroids in bodybuilder
>
> > Please point out anything in all that info that speaks to the issue of
> > a link between steroid use and testicular cancer.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> First I never used 'testicular cancer' I wrote cancer.
>
> "If Lance didn't play with steroids so much at the OTC he never would
> have given cancer a 2nd thought."
>
> 2nd it's in the post and link given
>
> ( a 2005 US study showed that of various cancer patients 20% were
> former steroid users but said that more research was needed ) ( a
> typical conclusion to get more grant money)
>
> "Supplement use is common and increasing among patients with
> testicular cancer. The use of exercise performance-enhancing
> supplements was as great as 20%."
>
> 3rd, cancer (like fire and jesus) works in mysterious ways, sometimes
> the burn pattern makes sense and sometimes the source might have come
> from across the room.
>
> Can anyone definitely say that one person's cancer started here and
> not there when examining a patient? Not that I am aware of - they
> just cut out the offending bits, radiate and chemo the crumbs and hope
> for the best.
Yeah, you wrote cancer and not specifically testicular cancer, but
even you have to admit that the reference to never thinking about
cancer if he hadn't done steroids is an implication that his
particular cancer was caused by steroids, which it wasn't. And yes,
people can tell where one person's cancer started. Oncologists do it
all the time.
Face it, you don't like LA, but to perpetuate some bullshit myth that
he got testicular cancer because of PED use, particularly steroids,
while at the OTC or anywhere else, is just stupid and/or
disingenuous. I'm betting it's a bit of both.
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TOPIC: Important Development for Tugboat* - Kibble and Bits to return !
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 16 2010 12:46 pm
From: Anton Berlin
This is an important precedent for Tugboat*
http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/news?slug=ap-ath-jonesmedals-appeal
GENEVA (AP)—American sprinters who were stripped of their 2000
Olympics relay medals because teammate Marion Jones was doping won an
appeal Friday to have them restored.
The Court of Arbitration for Sport ruled in favor of the women, who
had appealed the International Olympic Committee's decision to
disqualify them from the Sydney Games.
The court said the IOC and International Association of Athletics
Federations rules in 2000 did not allow entire teams to be
disqualified because of doping by one athlete.
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The IOC said the ruling was "disappointing and especially unfortunate
for the athletes of the other teams who competed according to the
rules."
In Sydney, Jearl Miles-Clark, Monique Hennagan, LaTasha Colander Clark
and Andrea Anderson were part of the squad that won gold in the 4x400
relay. Chryste Gaines, Torri Edwards, Nanceen Perry and Passion
Richardson were on the 4x100 bronze medal squad.
All but Perry joined the appeal.
"The panel found that at the time of the Sydney Olympic Games there
was no express IOC or IAAF rule in force that clearly allowed the IOC
to annul the relay team results if one team member was found to have
committed a doping offense," CAS said.
Now that the case is over, Richardson can relax, her medal safe and
secure in a wooden frame at the home of her parents in Florida.
"It's been a long three years, a long hard fight," Richardson told The
Associated Press in a phone interview. "I wanted to believe they would
do what was right, but there were some times where I wasn't as
certain. Today, they did what was right."
Richardson spoke to Gaines and Miles-Clark and said that "everyone is
extremely excited."
"Finally, the fight is over," Richardson said.
In 2007, Jones admitted she was doping in Sydney and also lost her
individual golds in the 100 and 200 meters and bronze in the long
jump. She spent about six months in a Texas prison in 2008 for lying
about using performance-enhancing drugs and her role in a check-fraud
scam.
She has since made a comeback in basketball with the Tulsa Shock of
the WNBA.
"I've totally moved on," Jones told The AP on Friday in San Antonio,
where the Shock were preparing to play the Silver Stars. "I'm moving
forward."
Jones said she had not heard about the CAS decision and had not spoken
to her former Olympic teammates recently. She declined further
comment.
"She made some very poor choices. That's something she has to live
with," said Richardson, who no longer has any ill will toward her
former teammate. "We did what we were supposed to do and did it with
fairness. You have to learn to forgive and forget."
The CAS panel of three lawyers acknowledged the ruling might be unfair
to relay teams that competed "with no doped athletes" but added the
decision "exclusively depends on the rules enacted or not enacted by
the IOC and the IAAF at the time of the Sydney Olympic Games."
The CAS inflicted a further defeat on the IOC by ordering the Olympic
body to pay 10,000 Swiss francs ($9,500) toward the athletes' legal
costs.
Mark Levinstein, the Washington, DC-based lead attorney for the
athletes, said there is still a lawsuit pending against the USOC.
"All they had to do was say, 'The rules are the rules, leave them
alone,' and this didn't happen," Levinstein said in a phone interview.
"To have your own national Olympic committee turn its back on you, it
was sad."
The USOC issued a statement saying it respects the decision of the
CAS.
"Although we continue to believe that the U.S. medals in the 4x100 and
4x400 meter women's relays were unfairly won due to Ms. Jones' doping,
we have always recognized that the athletes who made up the U.S. teams
might have a legal basis on which to defend these medals," said
Patrick Sandusky, chief communications officer for the USOC.
"We are sorry that Ms. Jones' actions continue to have a negative
effect on the world of sport and express our sympathy for all of the
athletes who competed cleanly at the Olympic Games in Sydney and were
damaged by Ms. Jones' poor decisions."
United States Track and Field president Stephanie Hightower and CEO
Doug Logan said in a joint statement, "Although USATF was not a party
to this case, we are sympathetic to any clean athlete who was robbed
of something because of Marion Jones' cheating: competitors,
teammates, fans and anyone who strives for fair competition."
The IOC has now lost two CAS rulings within five weeks involving
Olympic medals stripped.
"What better confirmation of independence can you have than the baby
you have created says no to you?" IOC president Jacques Rogge told The
AP in New York. "We're disappointed that we lose the case, of course.
But it strengthens us to say to the athletes, 'You can trust the Court
of Arbitration. They are independent. They are free. They can rule
against the IOC."'
Belarus hammer throwers Vadim Devyatovskiy and Ivan Tsikhan won their
appeals last month against disqualification from the 2008 Beijing
Games and regained their silver and bronze medals, respectively. Both
had elevated levels of testosterone, but the CAS panel said tests were
invalid because international laboratory standards in Beijing were not
respected.
"The IOC will continue to enforce its zero tolerance policy in the
fight against doping for the sake of the athletes' health and to
ensure fair competition," the IOC said in a statement.
The CAS panel said it accepted the IOC's claim that Jones was possibly
not the only U.S. runner doping in Sydney, and it was mindful that
Gaines later served a doping ban for cheating in 2002-03 with the same
designer steroid— known as "the clear"—that Jones used.
However, CAS warned that judging an athlete based on suspicion could
"deliver a fatal blow to any serious fight against doping and the
CAS's reputation."
The case involving the sprinters was heard over two days in Lausanne,
Switzerland, in May, when the relay runners' legal team argued they
should not be punished for cheating by Jones.
The panel agreed unanimously Friday that the IAAF's rule in 2000 was
the decisive point.
The court also confirmed its own precedent set five years ago in a
previous doping case involving U.S. relay runners at the Sydney
Olympics. That panel determined that teammates of Jerome Young should
not lose their 4x400 gold medals after he received a retroactive ban
from 1999-2001—meaning he was technically ineligible to compete in
Sydney.
Young's relay partners—Michael Johnson, Antonio Pettigrew, Angelo
Taylor, Alvin Harrison and Calvin Harrison—won their appeal to CAS
after the IAAF annulled their result.
However, the IOC ended up stripping the entire team of the medals in
2008 following the admission of doping by Pettigrew. The IAAF amended
its rules in 2003 so that relay teams could then be disqualified if
one member was caught doping.
The ruling Friday dashed the hopes of Jamaica's team of being upgraded
from silver to gold in the 4x400 relay. Russia finished third and
Nigeria out of the medals in fourth. In the 4x100, the U.S. edged
France out of the medals.
* if he were still alive.
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 16 2010 2:08 pm
From: Uncle Dave
Why didn't you tell me he was riding with a fractured wrist? You let
me slag the guy off and all the while he's being some kind of hero in
rapidly changing geeky lenses. What is the matter with you people?!
Have you no shame?
UD
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 16 2010 3:01 pm
From: Betty
Uncle Dave wrote:
> Why didn't you tell me he was riding with a fractured wrist? You let
> me slag the guy off and all the while he's being some kind of hero in
> rapidly changing geeky lenses. What is the matter with you people?!
> Have you no shame?
That was news last week.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 16 2010 3:56 pm
From: thirty-six
On 16 July, 22:08, Uncle Dave <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote:
> Why didn't you tell me he was riding with a fractured wrist? You let
> me slag the guy off and all the while he's being some kind of hero in
> rapidly changing geeky lenses. What is the matter with you people?!
> Have you no shame?
>
> UD
Two days ago he said he was feeling better. Steroids, opiates along
with er, would that be called cheating?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 16 2010 2:29 pm
From: "B. Lafferty"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/16/AR2010071603512.html
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TOPIC: New Road ID commercial - idiot Bob Roll discusses crashing in a forest.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 16 2010 2:56 pm
From: Betty
Anton Berlin wrote:
>>> I dated an ER nurse for nearly a decade.
Betty wrote:
>> What was her BMI ?
Anton Berlin wrote:
> That crazy bitch stole all sorts of drugs from the hospital and
> injected herself with speed, anti-psychotics and who knows what else.
> She mainly ate a diet of peanut butter cups, coffee and my jizz. the
> combo of all of the above kept her pretty thin.
Must have been Jizz lite.
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