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* Millar said what? - 8 messages, 7 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4c11b55747eb1417?hl=en
* Is It Possible to be a Cycling Fan Without ... - 12 messages, 9 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/c44cc8483892a12b?hl=en
* Lance and Fabiani - 1 messages, 1 author
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* What A Mess - 1 messages, 1 author
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* No More Facts4Lance - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Criterium du Dauphine, stage 3 summary - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Millar said what?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/4c11b55747eb1417?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 7 2011 10:39 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/millar-calls-for-closure-in-armstrong-and-contador-investigations
"Does anybody out there seriously doubt that Contador was riding clean
in the Giro d'Italia that has just finished? You don't win the biggest
races in the world with such clockwork regularity and comparative ease,
and in such style, by not being the supreme talent and clean. In my
experience the profile of a doper is always much more erratic and
unpredictable."
Both Contador and Lance have been two of the most "predictable" riders
of our era. Everything he says about Contador applies to Lance. And then
he says such can only be the result of having/being "supreme talent and
clean." I can't buy that logic for either one of them. Strange thing for
David Millar to be saying. Of course, this is the same guy who, during
the first Tour of California, spent more than a few minutes discussing
with a team mate the best way to stuff sunglasses into a helmet, and
then went into a fit over how Oakleys fit perfectly into a Giro helmet,
but Giro sunglasses (when sponsored him) did not. I can't tell with
Millar is a certifiable genius, with a mind operating on a level that
mere mortals can't comprehend and deal with, or if he's taking to a
different form of dope.
And, once more, we see incredibly shoddy journalism where such remarks
(about what makes him think Contador is clean) go without challenge or
clarification.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 8 2011 3:57 am
From: ilan
On Jun 8, 7:39 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/millar-calls-for-closure-in-armstrong...
> "Does anybody out there seriously doubt that Contador was riding clean
> in the Giro d'Italia that has just finished? You don't win the biggest
> races in the world with such clockwork regularity and comparative ease,
> and in such style, by not being the supreme talent and clean. In my
> experience the profile of a doper is always much more erratic and
> unpredictable."
>
> Both Contador and Lance have been two of the most "predictable" riders
> of our era. Everything he says about Contador applies to Lance. And then
> he says such can only be the result of having/being "supreme talent and
> clean." I can't buy that logic for either one of them. Strange thing for
> David Millar to be saying. Of course, this is the same guy who, during
> the first Tour of California, spent more than a few minutes discussing
> with a team mate the best way to stuff sunglasses into a helmet, and
> then went into a fit over how Oakleys fit perfectly into a Giro helmet,
> but Giro sunglasses (when sponsored him) did not. I can't tell with
> Millar is a certifiable genius, with a mind operating on a level that
> mere mortals can't comprehend and deal with, or if he's taking to a
> different form of dope.
>
> And, once more, we see incredibly shoddy journalism where such remarks
> (about what makes him think Contador is clean) go without challenge or
> clarification.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
My enduring memory of Millar speaking is at the end of the 2003 TdF
Gap stage, where he is being interviewed and the ambulance carrying
Beloki drives by. As the siren becomes impossible to ignore, he looks
around mumbling something and continues to talk about himself.
Speaking of which, in that Tour, he got his manager fired for not
convincing him strongly enough to not remove the front derailleur,
which resulted him in losing the prologue.
Oh, that was the "old" Millar before his redemption from drug abuse.
-ilan
== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 8 2011 4:04 am
From: NoDannyNo
On Jun 8, 1:39 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/millar-calls-for-closure-in-armstrong...
> "Does anybody out there seriously doubt that Contador was riding clean
> in the Giro d'Italia that has just finished? You don't win the biggest
> races in the world with such clockwork regularity and comparative ease,
> and in such style, by not being the supreme talent and clean. In my
> experience the profile of a doper is always much more erratic and
> unpredictable."
>
> Both Contador and Lance have been two of the most "predictable" riders
> of our era. Everything he says about Contador applies to Lance. And then
> he says such can only be the result of having/being "supreme talent and
> clean." I can't buy that logic for either one of them. Strange thing for
> David Millar to be saying. Of course, this is the same guy who, during
> the first Tour of California, spent more than a few minutes discussing
> with a team mate the best way to stuff sunglasses into a helmet, and
> then went into a fit over how Oakleys fit perfectly into a Giro helmet,
> but Giro sunglasses (when sponsored him) did not. I can't tell with
> Millar is a certifiable genius, with a mind operating on a level that
> mere mortals can't comprehend and deal with, or if he's taking to a
> different form of dope.
>
> And, once more, we see incredibly shoddy journalism where such remarks
> (about what makes him think Contador is clean) go without challenge or
> clarification.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
Is Millar a certifiable genius?
In "Racing Through The Dark", Millar offers up this with regard to
being asked to take EPO by his team director:
"I had done well -- bloody well -- as a clean rider. I had stood my
ground, done my bit, but now it was out of my hands. The team needed
me to accept my obligations, and now it made sense."
So his decision to dope essentially boils down to "I was just
following orders". Seems to me that a real genius could come up with
something better than that.
== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 8 2011 5:39 am
From: Simply Fred
Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> I can't tell with Millar is a certifiable genius, with a mind operating on a level that
> mere mortals can't comprehend and deal with, or if he's taking to a
> different form of dope.
This is the same person who kept a used EPO vial as a memento.
Certifiable imbecile would be a better description.
== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 8 2011 6:48 am
From: Anton Berlin
This is too obvious - Millar plans to run for political office soon.
He has all the essential attributes ; denial of reality, stupid, ass-
kissing yes man and egocentric liar.
== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 8 2011 9:44 am
From: yirgster
In Kimmage's book Rough Ride he cites Millar as a prime example of someone who's attitude and public statements personify the drug problem in cycling. His 2006 press conference exchange with Millar is on pages 280-282.
------ from Rough Ride (quotes are from Millar in 2006, I assume) ----
Millar on drugs in cycling: "There has been a huge change in the sport is the past couple of years." [I believe Kimmage quotes him several years earlier espousing the same.]
[kimmage several times quotes similar statements by various people as personifying the denial and let's-get-attention-away-from-it refrain of "drugs are no longer a problem", so we can continue doping in peace as before.]
Millar on the poor performance of the French in recent years: "The problem with French teams is that they blame it all on drugs when the bottom lines is that the success of all the Americans and anglophones is down to hard work."
Millar on the success of the Spanish teams: "The Spanish guys and the Spanish teams are a lot more relaxed. They are not always complaining like the French riders."
[ Maybe the Spanish take xanax also. Possibly supplemented with an SSRI. ]
== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 8 2011 9:50 am
From: yirgster
[Pls forgive if this shows up twice. google said I should repost it.]
In Kimmage's book Rough Ride he cites Millar as a prime example of someone who's attitude and public statements personify the drug problem in cycling. His 2006 press conference exchange with Millar is on pages 280-282.
------ from Rough Ride (quotes are from Millar in 2006, I assume) ----
Millar on drugs in cycling: "There has been a huge change in the sport is the past couple of years." [I believe Kimmage quotes him several years earlier espousing the same.]
[kimmage several times quotes similar statements by various people as personifying the denial and let's-get-attention-away-from-it refrain of "drugs are no longer a problem", so we can continue doping in peace as before.]
Millar on the poor performance of the French in recent years: "The problem with French teams is that they blame it all on drugs when the bottom lines is that the success of all the Americans and anglophones is down to hard work."
Millar on the success of the Spanish teams: "The Spanish guys and the Spanish teams are a lot more relaxed. They are not always complaining like the French riders."
[ Maybe the Spanish take xanax also. Possibly supplemented with an SSRI. ]
== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 8 2011 1:30 pm
From: atriage
On 08/06/2011 13:39, Simply Fred wrote:
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> I can't tell with Millar is a certifiable genius, with a mind
>> operating on a level that
>> mere mortals can't comprehend and deal with, or if he's taking to a
>> different form of dope.
>
> This is the same person who kept a used EPO vial as a memento.
> Certifiable imbecile would be a better description.
He's from Scotland, wtf did anyone expect?
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TOPIC: Is It Possible to be a Cycling Fan Without ...
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== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 8 2011 2:58 am
From: Simply Fred
Dave Lee wrote:
>> Let me get this straight. You are equating the TW encounter with Galea
>> with the situation with cycling. Is that your point?
Fred Flintstein wrote:
> Gues the answer is, no, you didn't hear it.
He's got a Phonak hearing aid.
== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 8 2011 3:01 am
From: Simply Fred
William Fred wrote:
> I tried telling this to him already. Maybe you'll have better luck. Or
> at least more determination.
You need to recover some of the form you had when you were trolling
Kunich about climate change.
== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 8 2011 5:46 am
From: "Dave Lee"
"Fredmaster of Brainerd" wrote in message
news:99dc73a7-fc6d-4c52-8d43-e496bdf5d621@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com...
SNIP
I wish you would learn to quote properly (with the ">"
marks).
It sounds like we are talking about the state of
your knowledge of [doping in] cycling, not the
state of cycling. In the 90s, riders were
charging up like you wouldn't believe - "Mr 60%"
jokes, Gewiss-Ballan finishing 1-2-3, out of
nowhere riders winning the Giro and disappearing
equally quickly, Dutchmen dying in their sleep.
It was the early days of efficient blood
manipulation and there was no hematocrit threshold
or EPO test. So there were no limits and one didn't
know the extent of the pharmacology, until
Festina 1998 roughly.
Are races more determined by best-doping-strategy now
than in 1994? I actually doubt it, but the difference is
that we know, so we go around asking questions rather
than living in blissful ignorance. Of course, there
are some fans who have always known or suspected and
just don't care that much. Loosely, this corresponds
to an Anglo/American vs. Continental divide, although
there are occasional flashes of self-righteousness
from the continent - maybe I should stereotype it as
northern vs southern?
Anyway, I don't give a swing about golf either pro
or con, I'm just here to point out that every time
you justify it as probably more watchable, probably
cleaner, probably pharmacology isn't that important,
you're repeating blissful-ignorance history - your own,
sportswriters', this newsgroup's, whatever.
Organized sports are entertainment. If you aren't
entertained, fine, but recognize that this whole
business about pharmacology is your hangup and not
the business of the rest of the audience.
Fredmaster Ben
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I'll give you this. While RBR posts are dominated by
doping issues, at least it has relevance to cycling. At
RSG (rec.sport.golf) over 90% of the posts are
political crap having nothing to do w/golf.
And yeah the lack of ">'s" is irritating. Windows Live
Mail dropped that in their Newsreader and I just
don't use USENET enough to change Newsreaders
(or I am too inconsiderate to change Newsreaders -
your choice).
dave
== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 8 2011 6:05 am
From: "A. Dumas"
Dave Lee wrote:
> (or I am too inconsiderate to change Newsreaders -
> your choice).
Yes.
== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 8 2011 7:25 am
From: Steven Bornfeld
On 6/7/2011 5:49 PM, Benjo Maso wrote:
>
>
> "--D-y" schreef in bericht
> news:8bb6b086-1bbc-48b9-a088-7b369555641a@35g2000prp.googlegroups.com...
>
> On Jun 6, 5:18 pm, "Dave Lee" <DaveLe...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
>> ... an advanced degree in pharmacology?
>>
>> When I was riding regularly (90's) I really enjoyed buying video's of the
>> Tdf, Giro d'Italia, Paris-Roubaix, etc. and on late weekend nights
>> plugging
>> one in with a glass of wine and just watching it for an hour or two.
>>
>> I can't get enthused anymore - now it is all about hematocrits,
>> testosterone
>> levels, etc.
>>
>> Back to golf, I guess.
>
>
> Fan, yes.
> Rider, no.
>
> Take a few minutes, there's some excellent "get real" material here,
> free for the reading:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_at_the_Tour_de_France>
>
>
>
> I'm afraid it's full of mistakes. For instance, Janssen, Pingeon, Oca�a
> and Gimondi tested positive, Th�v�net admitted using corticoids, not
> steroids, the autopsy of Knut Enemark Jensen's body didn't show had
> taken amphetamine and other drugs. etc.
>
> Benjo
Benjo--
Glucocorticoids are considered steroids, and unless I'm greatly
mistaken, they are banned. Yes, their use in cycling is primarily
anti-inflammatory rather than anabolic. I assume the rationale for the
ban is that they convey the ability to ride with less pain. It doesn't
explain why NSAIDS aren't banned. But I'm certainly not saying that
criteria for banning a particular pharmaceutical are rational.
Steve
--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 8 2011 7:27 am
From: Steven Bornfeld
On 6/7/2011 7:38 PM, Frederick the Great wrote:
> In article<957kmpFup8U1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Benjo Maso"<benjo.maso@upcmail.nl> wrote:
>
>> I'm afraid it's full of mistakes. For instance, Janssen, Pingeon, Ocaña and
>> Gimondi tested positive, Thévénet admitted using corticoids, not steroids,
>> the autopsy of Knut Enemark Jensen's body didn't show had taken amphetamine
>> and other drugs. etc.
>
> Technical point. Corticoids are steroids---corticosteroids.
> Corticosteroids are catabolic steroids. When hand wringers
> moan over the use of steroids it is the anabolic steroids
> only that are at issue; though they do not know the difference.
>
Sorry, didn't mean to step on your post--I posted before reading this.
n I do thing that glucocorticoids are banned as well. I'm not sure that
overuse is any safer than anabolic steroids.
Steve
--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 8 2011 7:58 am
From: "Benjo Maso"
"Steven Bornfeld" schreef in bericht news:iso0nr$vfc$1@dont-email.me...
On 6/7/2011 5:49 PM, Benjo Maso wrote:
>
>
> "--D-y" schreef in bericht
> news:8bb6b086-1bbc-48b9-a088-7b369555641a@35g2000prp.googlegroups.com...
>
> On Jun 6, 5:18 pm, "Dave Lee" <DaveLe...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
>> ... an advanced degree in pharmacology?
>>
>> When I was riding regularly (90's) I really enjoyed buying video's of the
>> Tdf, Giro d'Italia, Paris-Roubaix, etc. and on late weekend nights
>> plugging
>> one in with a glass of wine and just watching it for an hour or two.
>>
>> I can't get enthused anymore - now it is all about hematocrits,
>> testosterone
>> levels, etc.
>>
>> Back to golf, I guess.
>
>
> Fan, yes.
> Rider, no.
>
> Take a few minutes, there's some excellent "get real" material here,
> free for the reading:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_at_the_Tour_de_France>
>
>
>
> I'm afraid it's full of mistakes. For instance, Janssen, Pingeon, Oca�a
> and Gimondi tested positive, Th�v�net admitted using corticoids, not
> steroids, the autopsy of Knut Enemark Jensen's body didn't show had
> taken amphetamine and other drugs. etc.
>
> Benjo
Benjo--
Glucocorticoids are considered steroids, and unless I'm greatly
mistaken, they are banned. Yes, their use in cycling is primarily
anti-inflammatory rather than anabolic. I assume the rationale for the
ban is that they convey the ability to ride with less pain. It doesn't
explain why NSAIDS aren't banned. But I'm certainly not saying that
criteria for banning a particular pharmaceutical are rational.
Thanks! And yes, glucocorticoids are banned.
Benjo
== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 8 2011 8:37 am
From: William Fred
Simply Fred <none@mailinator.com> wrote in
news:veu3c8-nr3.ln1@linux-205.tricom.co.za:
> William Fred wrote:
>> I tried telling this to him already. Maybe you'll have better luck.
>> Or at least more determination.
>
> You need to recover some of the form you had when you were trolling
> Kunich about climate change.
Would it help you to know I now realize I shouldn't have been trolling
Kunich? It's not that I'm wiser, or that I'm sorry exactly that he got
angry and left, it's just that I realize now I don't really care enough
about that either to be seriously trolling anyone about it.
When you get right down to it, there's no difference between zen and
depression.
--
Bill Fred
== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 8 2011 1:02 pm
From: Frederick the Great
In article <iso0ru$vfc$2@dont-email.me>,
Steven Bornfeld <bornfeldmung@dentaltwins.com> wrote:
> On 6/7/2011 7:38 PM, Frederick the Great wrote:
> > In article<957kmpFup8U1@mid.individual.net>,
> > "Benjo Maso"<benjo.maso@upcmail.nl> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm afraid it's full of mistakes. For instance, Janssen, Pingeon, Ocaña and
> >> Gimondi tested positive, Thévénet admitted using corticoids, not steroids,
> >> the autopsy of Knut Enemark Jensen's body didn't show had taken amphetamine
> >> and other drugs. etc.
> >
> > Technical point. Corticoids are steroids---corticosteroids.
> > Corticosteroids are catabolic steroids. When hand wringers
> > moan over the use of steroids it is the anabolic steroids
> > only that are at issue; though they do not know the difference.
> >
>
> Sorry, didn't mean to step on your post--I posted before reading this.
> n I do thing that glucocorticoids are banned as well. I'm not sure that
> overuse is any safer than anabolic steroids.
I am sure over use is debilitating.
--
Old Fritz
== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 8 2011 1:08 pm
From: Mark
On Jun 8, 11:37 am, William Fred <gcn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Simply Fred <n...@mailinator.com> wrote innews:veu3c8-nr3.ln1@linux-205.tricom.co.za:
>
> > William Fred wrote:
> >> I tried telling this to him already. Maybe you'll have better luck.
> >> Or at least more determination.
>
> > You need to recover some of the form you had when you were trolling
> > Kunich about climate change.
>
> Would it help you to know I now realize I shouldn't have been trolling
> Kunich? It's not that I'm wiser, or that I'm sorry exactly that he got
> angry and left, it's just that I realize now I don't really care enough
> about that either to be seriously trolling anyone about it.
>
> When you get right down to it, there's no difference between zen and
> depression.
>
> --
> Bill Fred
According to Dr. Melfi (and pop Freudians), depression is rage
directed inward. When I first read about Tyler Hamilton`s depression,
I wondered if it was exacerbated by a volcano of rage against the
world that had no productive outlet. I hope he feels better now.
== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 8 2011 1:12 pm
From: Frederick the Great
In article
<99dc73a7-fc6d-4c52-8d43-e496bdf5d621@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com
>,
Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjweiner@gmail.com> wrote:
> I wish you would learn to quote properly (with the ">"
> marks).
Come on. All your recent replies
lack the required References header line.
--
Old Fritz
== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 8 2011 1:34 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd
On Wednesday, June 8, 2011 1:12:42 PM UTC-7, Frederick the Great wrote:
> In article
> <99dc73a7-fc6d-4c52...@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com
> >,
> Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I wish you would learn to quote properly (with the ">"
> > marks).
>
> Come on. All your recent replies
> lack the required References header line.
>
The metadata in those posts are corrupted.
In Dave's posts without quote marks, the _data_
are corrupted.
There are people who will tell you that bad metadata
make data just as useless as bad data. These people
are wrong.
I believe I figured the bad Google Groups behavior
out, BTW. In the past few days, I started using the
"Try the new, more broken Google Groups interface!"
because the old one was not keeping up with recent
posts. That switch appears to be simultaneous with
the missing References: you complain about.
Furthermore, the text entry forms are different.
I bet that Ryan has been using the new, more borken
Google Groups, and that's why his posts have no
References and long, unwrapped lines.
Poor Usenet, killed by Google while it was saving
(or at least archiving) it.
Fredmaster Ben
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TOPIC: Lance and Fabiani
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 8 2011 5:58 am
From: Fred Flintstein
On 6/7/2011 11:49 PM, Kulin Remailer wrote:
> Lafferty already
Dumbass,
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TOPIC: What A Mess
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 8 2011 7:19 am
From: broomwagon
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 05:27:00 -0700 (PDT), Choppy Warburton
<choppywarburton@yahoo.com> wrote:
>There are other cancer survivors in every community that are far more
>accessible than Lance Armstrong. These are the 'inspirations' that
>actually help people. Lance is at most an image and if you wake up
>scared in the middle of the night with lymphoma how is an image going
>to help you ? You need a friend that you can talk to.
I don't post to this group anymore, but I can tell you as a matter of
fact that LA is immensely popular among people with cancer, across the
spectrum, as well as with oncology nurses in general. My wife, a RN
that is an oncology nurse coordinator for people with cancer,
primarily breast cancer and throat and larnyx cancers, provides pre-
and post- op support for patients until they transition to breast
cancer support groups. She has met LA twice in his role as cancer
survivor. He was charming, gave freely of his time and made no
impression at any time that he had a schedule or need to leave for
more important things. His survival from a very serious stage of
cancer IS important as a symbol, whether you want to believe it or not
and perhaps more so in the community of cancer patients with low to
almost no long-term survival prospects.
There are a spectrum of support groups and individuals and being
married to a nurse that has been an oncology nurse for more than 15
years, I come into contact with all of them, if by no other means than
answering her phone. You'd be surprised how many people DO have cancer
and I have perfected the stepping away, yet not looking bored stance
when one of her patients talks to her in the street. But it is never
one person or thing that gets people through. For some, it takes
everything, from individuals to talk to to symbols of survival and
returning to a normal life. That last is probably one thing people
simply don't understand - the desire to return to a normal life,
beyond just survival. And whether you like it or not, LA is a powerful
symbol of that.
Just saying...
Curtis L. Russell
Back to lurk mode...
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TOPIC: No More Facts4Lance
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 8 2011 7:44 am
From: BL
ROTFLMAO!!!
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/no-more-facts4lance
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 8 2011 9:36 am
From: Choppy Warburton
It was such an effective campaign.
I learned that Tyler was a poopy-pants and that Floyd was a liar-liar
chamois on fire.
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TOPIC: Criterium du Dauphine, stage 3 summary
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 8 2011 10:39 am
From: Bob Martin
Stage 3 : Jun 8, Grenoble, 42.5 km
1 Tony Martin (Ger) HTC-Highroad 0.55.27
2 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Sky Procycling 0.11
3 Edvald Boasson Hagen (Nor) Sky Procycling 0.43
4 David Zabriskie (USA) Team Garmin-Cervelo 0.58
5 Janez Brajkovic (Slo) Team RadioShack 1.17
6 Cadel Evans (Aus) BMC Racing Team 1.20
7 Geraint Thomas (GBr) Sky Procycling 1.36
8 Christophe Riblon (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale 1.37
9 Rein Taaramae (Est) Cofidis, Le Credit En Ligne 1.56
10 Rui Alberto Faria Costa (Por) Movistar Team 2.00
Changes in GC, stage 3 compared to stage 2 :
Biggest gainers by position :
+59 Edvald Boasson Hagen
+41 Tony Martin
+38 Brian Vandborg
+33 Jeremy Roy
+32 David Zabriskie
+31 Adriano Malori
+29 Maxime Bouet
+25 Matthew Busche
+25 Imanol Erviti Ollo
Biggest losers by position :
-42 Grega Bole
-37 Jelle Vanendert
-36 Yannick Talabardon
-35 Nicolas Vogondy
-28 Cyril Gautier
-28 Mirko Selvaggi
-27 Tristan Valentin
-26 Francesco Bellotti
-25 Pierre Rolland
-23 Santo Anza
-22 Ivan Santaromita
Biggest gainers by time :
+0:22 Tony Martin
+0:11 Bradley Wiggins
Biggest losers by time :
-10:04 Oscar Pujol Munoz
-8:23 Santo Anza
-8:22 Sebastien Chavanel
-8:20 Samuel Dumoulin
-8:12 Frederik Willems
-8:08 John Murphy
-8:02 Kenny Dehaes
-7:57 Vitaliy Kondrut
-7:55 Ivan Santaromita
-7:47 Andy Cappelle
-7:29 Tyler Farrar
Favourites by position :
+41 Tony Martin
+32 David Zabriskie
+23 Rein Taaramae
+19 Robert Gesink
+10 Luis Leon Sanchez Gil
+4 Janez Brajkovic
+2 Cadel Evans
+2 Bradley Wiggins
-1 Daniel Martin
-2 Ivan Basso
-3 Alexander Vinokourov
-4 Frantisek Rabon
-5 Samuel Sanchez Gonzalez
-5 Haimar Zubeldia Aguirre
Favourites by time :
+0:22 Tony Martin
+0:11 Bradley Wiggins
-0:36 David Zabriskie
-0:55 Janez Brajkovic
-0:58 Cadel Evans
-1:34 Rein Taaramae
-1:56 Alexander Vinokourov
-2:27 Robert Gesink
-3:05 Samuel Sanchez Gonzalez
-3:16 Luis Leon Sanchez Gil
-4:30 Daniel Martin
-5:32 Haimar Zubeldia Aguirre
-5:54 Ivan Basso
-7:03 Frantisek Rabon
Top 10 and favourites GC standings (previous stage in parens) :
1 Bradley Wiggins 8:41:37 (was 3rd at 0:11)
2 Cadel Evans 1:11 (was 4th at 0:13)
3 Janez Brajkovic 1:21 (was 7th at 0:26)
4 Alexander Vinokourov 1:56 (was 1st at 0:00)
5 Rui Alberto Faria da Costa 2:12 (was 10th at 0:34)
6 Geraint Thomas 2:25 (was 20th at 1:11)
7 Jurgen Van Den Broeck 2:28 (was 2nd at 0:11)
8 Christophe Riblon 2:45 (was 32nd at 1:30)
9 Ben Hermans 2:46 (was 11th at 0:42)
10 Jerome Coppel 2:52 (was 16th at 1:06)
.....
17 Rein Taaramae 3:53 (was 40th at 2:19)
.....
24 Samuel Sanchez Gonzalez 4:15 (was 19th at 1:10)
.....
28 Robert Gesink 4:56 (was 47th at 2:29)
.....
90 Tony Martin 10:09 (was 131st at 10:31)
.....
94 Ivan Basso 10:41 (was 92nd at 4:47)
.....
96 David Zabriskie 10:51 (was 128th at 10:15)
.....
100 Luis Leon Sanchez Gil 11:43 (was 110th at 8:27)
.....
118 Daniel Martin 13:40 (was 117th at 9:10)
.....
135 Haimar Zubeldia Aguirre 16:02 (was 130th at 10:30)
.....
172 Frantisek Rabon 25:32 (was 168th at 18:29)
Top 10 on Points table with previous in parens:
1 Bradley Wiggins 40 (was 4th with 28 points)
2 Joaquin Rodriguez Oliver 38 (was 1st with 38 points)
3 Alexandre Vinokourov 37 (was 2nd with 37 points)
4 John Degenkolb 33 (was 3rd with 33 points)
5 Cadel Evans 29 (was 8th with 24 points)
6 Nicolas Roche 28 (was 5th with 28 points)
7 Thomas Voeckler 27 (was 6th with 27 points)
8 Jurgen Van Den Broeck 25 (was 7th with 25 points)
9 Edvald Boasson Hagen 25 (was 15th with 15 points)
10 Rob Ruijgh 23 (was 9th with 23 points)
Top 10 on Mountains table
1 Jurgen Van Den Broeck 10
2 Leonardo Fabio Duque 10
3 Joaquin Rodriguez Oliver 9
4 Brice Feillu 8
5 Cadel Evans 8
6 Jurgen Van De Walle 7
7 Alexandre Vinokourov 7
8 Sven Vandousselaere 7
9 Nicolas Roche 6
10 Edvald Boasson Hagen 5
Retirements to date : Stage
Total retirements : 0
(This report can also be seen at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rvmartin2)
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