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[socialactionfoundationforequity:14387 Is NHRC established to protect the killings in custody ? NHRC Case no. 426/25/13/09-10-AD

15^th October 2011

The Chairman

National Human Rights Commission

Faridkot House

Copernicus Marg

New Delhi-110001

Ref: - Your Letter dated 9.8.2011 in connection with the Case no. 426/25/13/09-10-AD

Our complaint dated 1.9.2009

Our reply against the decision of the Commission

Respected Sir,

We received your letter dated 9.8.2011 in connection with the Case no. 426/25/13/09-10-AD.

It appears from your aforesaid letter that the case was closed. The said letter also contains some highlighted portion of the BSF report and the magisterial enquiry report.

It transpires that the Commission did not send us the copies of the BSF as well as magisterial enquiry report to give us opportunity to place our comments on the said reports. Though the fact remains that we vide our letter dated 19.5.2010 requested the Commission to send us the copies of the reports submitted before the Commission in connection with the present case.

It is painstaking to note that we being the complainant in this case only confined by the Commission to lodge the complaint and receive the information that the case was closed and the whole process was done behind our back. We being the complainant did not get any opportunity to take part in the enquiries done either by BSF or the magistrate. And the Commission also did not give us opportunity to place our comments on the reports submitted by the BSF and the magistrate. This is completely against the rule of law and also against a just and fair proceeding.

It also transpires from the above referred letter dated 9.8.2011 of the Commission that the Commission did not peruse the Post Mortem Report and the Inquest Report in the matter of the victim. Moreover nowhere it appeared that any enquiring authority either BSF or the concerned magistrate perused the Post Mortem Report and the Inquest Report of the victim. We have specifically alleged in our fact finding that the family members of the victim and other villagers saw gunshot injury and one deep penetrating bleeding injury on the head of the victim just above his left ear. But the enquiring authorities did not address the issues on the point of the injuries suffered by the victim. The Commission can not ignore the fact that the injuries surfaced on the body of the victim and the medical reports in this regard would have been vital point in this case, but such vital and most important part of the case was completely ignored by the Commission.

The above referred letter dated 9.8.2011 of the Commission highlighted from the BSF report that during enquiry held by BSF, the victim's wife Laxmidasi Mondal reiterated her earlier statement but the allegation against the BSF was baseless for the reason she did not filed any complaint at the police station. We stated in our complaint that the victim's wife Laxmidasi Mondal submitted one written complaint before the Superintendent of Police, Murshidabad on 17.9.2009 wherein she stated that the police of Raninagar Police Station refused to take any complaint from her against the perpetrator BSF personnel. But it appears that such fact was completely ignored in the report of the BSF which can only be taken as a mean to put its (BSF) own gloss in the so called report submitted by it (BSF) before the Commission.

The above referred letter dated 9.8.2011 of the Commission highlighted from the magisterial report that "…Smt Laxmi Mondal did not lodge any complaint in the local Raninagar P.S. after the incident which is a mystery…" Again the concerned magistrate completely ignored the fact that the victim's wife Laxmidasi Mondal submitted one written complaint before the Superintendent of Police, Murshidabad on 17.9.2009 wherein she stated that the police of Raninagar Police Station refused to take any complaint from her against the perpetrator BSF personnel. It is also a mystery to us how the said magistrate can overlook the fact of lodging of complaint before the Superintendent of Police, Murshidabad by the victim's wife when the same has been stated in our complaint.

The above referred letter dated 9.8.2011 of the Commission highlighted from the magisterial report that "…Smt Laxmi Mondal was directed to appear in the hearing through two of her brother-in-law but she did not turn up…" It is surprising to us to note that the said concerned magistrate issued direction to the victim's wife to appear in the hearing (the place of hearing appears to be his chamber but not the residence of the victim) rather than the magistrate dared to put some labour to visit her residence and ask her to give her statement. It is relevant here to note that the BSF report (as highlighted in your above referred letter dated 9.8.2011) that the victim's wife reiterated her earlier statement.

The concerned magistrate failed to consider that there is plenty of justification for the reluctance of witnesses to come forward not only due to lack of facilities but by doing so they have to incur the wrath of the accused and jeopardize their life. The concerned magistrate here only acted as a stereotype table work and there is complete lack on his part to provide necessary confidence in the mind of the victim's wife that she would be protected from the wrath of the accused in any eventuality. In Zahira Habibulla H. Sheikh and Another vs. State of Gujrat and other (2004)4SCC158, (the Best Bakery Case), the Supreme Court made several observations on the question of protection of witnesses. The Supreme Court reiterated that "….legislative measures to emphasise prohibition against tampering with witnesses, victim or informant have become the imminent and inevitable need of the day". The court also referred to Witness Protection Programs being imperative in the context of alarming rate of somersaults by witnesses.

The commission should have considered that the report of BSF only gave sanction to the stand of BSF taken in these cases that in the course of the encounters that took place, person alleged to be a member of smugglers died as a result of the firing by BSF personnel without even a simple injury being suffered by the involved BSF personnel. Then in the firing there is killing of the alleged miscreant(s) and those who were not killed could not be apprehended by BSF at all. Every time the person hit with bullet in the firing succumbed on the spot and his body is being handed over to police after several hours since the incident. It is inevitable that there is no available witness who could be helpful to rebut the claim raised by BSF in justification of the killing. On the basis of the information furnished by BSF, entries were made in the respective Police Station stating that some alleged miscreants made an attempt to kill the involved BSF personnel and were, therefore, guilty of the offence of attempt to murder under Section 307 IPC and other related penal provisions. On that basis, they were described as accused and FIRs were drawn up by the Police. Therefore the stand of BSF is that they have not committed any offence as they acted in exercise of the right of private defence. In this case also an FIR was drawn being Raninagar Police Station Case no. 341/2009 under sections 147/146/149/353/307 of IPC on the complaint of BSF. It appears from your above referred letter dated 9.8.2011 that the Commission had issued notice to the Superintendent of Police, Murshidabad to submit the present status of the said criminal case (Raninagar Police Station Case no. 341/2009 under sections 147/146/149/353/307 of IPC) but in the same above referred letter dated 9.8.2011 the Commission did not make any whisper whether the present status report was submitted by the Superintendent of Police, Murshidabad or not.

Therefore under the above mentioned facts and circumstances we are deeply aggrieved and dissatisfied with the decision of the Commission and state that the decisions of Commission has been arrived under a shadow of doubt for the reason discussed above. For better understanding of the civil society, I am hereby copying this mail to our friends.

Hence we urge before the Commission to reopen the case and implement the guidelines issued by the Commission in case of encounter death in this case. We also request the Commission to consider the Post Mortem Report and Inquest Report of the victim and give an opportunity to the victim's wife and other witnesses in this case to give their statement before the Commission's own investigation wing.

We sincerely hope for your early response in this matter.

Thanking you,

Yours truly,

Kirity Roy

Secretary, MASUM

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Packers pack Bears' fudge 27-17
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/894407a157d00fd8?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 15 2011 10:35 pm
From: Reverent Moon

On Oct 15, 11:19 pm, Rob Cypher <bals...@aol.com> wrote:
> On 26 Sep 2011 08:39:35 -0000, "Just In Bieber"
>
> <justinbie...@little-queer.net> wrote:
> >It wasn't even close. The Bears got their fudge packed the
> >entire game and had to wear dresses beginning the third quarter.

It was worth it seeing Brett Favre pull down his phuck pants and bend
over to receive Hitler's one ball. Man did he ever get a reaming!!

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TOPIC: All is not right...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/11a79368dc837595?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 16 2011 6:22 am
From: Freddo

On 10/14/2011 2:26 PM, cloud dreamer wrote:
> On 14/10/2011 2:56 PM, A1247@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:47:30 -0230, cloud dreamer<Save@Resources.now>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ...when you have a choice between SF/Detroit and Buffalo/NYG and
>>> actually *want* to watch both.
>>>
>>> LOL
>> One word. DVR.
>> My DVR lets me record both and watch them when I want to watch them.
>> Welecome to the 21st century.
>
>
> No shit, Sherlock. I have 3 DVRs in my house.
>
> Not going to be much fun when the score from the game I didn't watch is
> splashed all over the screen during the late Pat's game.
>
> D'oh.
>
> ..
>
>

Well, if you knew how to use those DVR's you'd be able to watch both
games. Record one , and watch the other live. Then you could switch
back and forth during commercials, and at least catch good plays.

But you already knew that didn't you?

<plonk>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 16 2011 6:36 am
From: cloud dreamer

On 16/10/2011 10:52 AM, Freddo wrote:
> On 10/14/2011 2:26 PM, cloud dreamer wrote:
>> On 14/10/2011 2:56 PM, A1247@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:47:30 -0230, cloud dreamer<Save@Resources.now>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...when you have a choice between SF/Detroit and Buffalo/NYG and
>>>> actually *want* to watch both.
>>>>
>>>> LOL
>>> One word. DVR.
>>> My DVR lets me record both and watch them when I want to watch them.
>>> Welecome to the 21st century.
>>
>>
>> No shit, Sherlock. I have 3 DVRs in my house.
>>
>> Not going to be much fun when the score from the game I didn't watch is
>> splashed all over the screen during the late Pat's game.
>>
>> D'oh.
>>
>> ..
>>
>>
>
> Well, if you knew how to use those DVR's you'd be able to watch both
> games. Record one , and watch the other live. Then you could switch back
> and forth during commercials, and at least catch good plays.
>
> But you already knew that didn't you?

Why don't you read the original post again. It's not that difficult to
understand. The *point* is that a game with SF/Detroit/Buffalo would
actually be of interest.

D'uh.

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TOPIC: President Herman Cain!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/6c7944aa3dec28e9?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 16 2011 7:40 am
From: ZZH770@yahoo.com

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 19:15:36 -0700 (PDT), "mr
dude@harvarduniversity.edu" <fosterfla@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 15, 9:14 pm, ZZH...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>
>> After withholding it. Why are you having so much trouble with the
>> simple concept of tax withholding?
>>
>
>Because the company is not "withholding" anything!!!!
>
>The company is PAYING!!!!!
Translation: you have no clue what those withholdng number mean on
your paycheck.

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TOPIC: Tony Homo And The Phallus Chowboys In Town....
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/fc7e7b7201568fb2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 16 2011 7:42 am
From: 788@gmail.com

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 19:14:06 -0700 (PDT), "mr
dude@harvarduniversity.edu" <fosterfla@gmail.com> wrote:

>,,,will Brady be distracted? I think so.
>
>Phallus Chowboys - 28 Lovestruck Brady - 24
>
>mr dude (bet your 401K on this exact score!!)

Prediction: Patriots 15, Cowboys 14,
Mr. Dude runs out into the street in front of
a bunch of cars when he realizes his
401K is gone.

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TOPIC: Stupid loss, cocky loss.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/c364639eafb65782?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 16 2011 7:52 am
From: Professor

On Sep 25, 5:45 pm, Jottland <jottl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 25, 4:23 pm, MuahMan <muah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Just run the ball and kick the field goal. Go up by 10 with 6 minutes
> > left. Just stupid cocky play. That and a free TD courtesy of BS
> > penalties.
>
> you're a whiny bitch

Spoken like the whiny bitch serial troll Jottland aka Jim S aka Splat!
is.

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TOPIC: Is Tebow the Obama of the NFL?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/5c722c8219d094f0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 16 2011 7:56 am
From: Howard Brazee

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:00:03 -0400, ZZH770@yahoo.com wrote:

>Here is a hint: be careful what abbreviations you use. Around here
>the common meaning of MLB is Major League Baseball.

Hmmm, "Here" appears to be
"alt.sports.football.pro.denver-broncos,alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots,alt.sports.football.pro.dallas-cowboys"

Seems like American Football to me.

Context is everything. In a music newsgroup "CD" doesn't mean the
same as in an investment group.

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- James Madison

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TOPIC: Something ain't right
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/2ac53988518eb4db?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 16 2011 8:52 am
From: Harlan Lachman

In article
<b1c6e747-59e7-4ea5-84ef-f258282dc87c@g23g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
Señor Patriots <roaming13@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Oct 11, 1:57 pm, je.s.t...@hehxduhmp.org wrote:
> > In alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots MuahMan <muah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Defense is no longer allowed. The NFL will be unwatchable in a couple
> > > more years.
> >
> > This. You can't even look at a QB funny nor get within 5 yards of a WR,
> > of course there'll be lots of points.
>
> I think one rule that needs to be reversed is the limit on contact
> with receivers. Who the hell are they? They are vulnerable on
> certain routes so I guess they just wouldn't run those routes, and
> they wouldn't catch 160 balls a year. I think we can live with that.
>
> Eliminating the ticky tacky contact penalties down the field would be
> a big help.
>
> Horse collaring: Allowable? I lean toward yes.
>
> Face masking: Allowable? I lean toward no. To me that steps over a
> line where the defense has an unfair advantage and can deliver career
> ending injuries without even using skill to get the job done. To me
> that's like cage fighting instead of boxing and boxing is plenty
> violent enough.

It would seem to an ignorant person that pads could be designed to
prevent horse collar tackles by beveling their edges so they could not
be grabbed.

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TOPIC: Jills lose to Gints
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/69882ceaa8bb389b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 16 2011 1:18 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"

good news for Pats.

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TOPIC: hey refs!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/f124e7384d74181a?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 16 2011 1:28 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"

hitting recievers in the endzone when the ball is on the 8 is illegal
contact and you're supposed to thrown the flag.
on that first drive the Cowgirls DBs were mugging the Pats receievers in the
endzone

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 16 2011 1:31 pm
From: cloud dreamer

On 16/10/2011 5:58 PM, Ray O'Hara wrote:
> hitting recievers in the endzone when the ball is on the 8 is illegal
> contact and you're supposed to thrown the flag.
> on that first drive the Cowgirls DBs were mugging the Pats receievers in the
> endzone
>
>

Well, crap, CBS was still playing the Lions game. Just found the Pat's
game on the Canadian channel.

Did I miss anything important?

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 16 2011 2:33 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"

"cloud dreamer" <dont.attac@the.messengers> wrote in message
news:peOdnW8QKf-4ogbTnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@supernews.com...
> On 16/10/2011 5:58 PM, Ray O'Hara wrote:
>> hitting recievers in the endzone when the ball is on the 8 is illegal
>> contact and you're supposed to thrown the flag.
>> on that first drive the Cowgirls DBs were mugging the Pats receievers in
>> the
>> endzone
>>
>>
>
> Well, crap, CBS was still playing the Lions game. Just found the Pat's
> game on the Canadian channel.
>
> Did I miss anything important?
>

not realy

> :o

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 16 2011 2:34 pm
From: cloud dreamer

On 16/10/2011 7:03 PM, Ray O'Hara wrote:
> "cloud dreamer"<dont.attac@the.messengers> wrote in message
> news:peOdnW8QKf-4ogbTnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@supernews.com...
>> On 16/10/2011 5:58 PM, Ray O'Hara wrote:
>>> hitting recievers in the endzone when the ball is on the 8 is illegal
>>> contact and you're supposed to thrown the flag.
>>> on that first drive the Cowgirls DBs were mugging the Pats receievers in
>>> the
>>> endzone
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Well, crap, CBS was still playing the Lions game. Just found the Pat's
>> game on the Canadian channel.
>>
>> Did I miss anything important?
>>
>
> not realy

Do they get the ball at the start of the 3rd?

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 16 2011 4:04 pm
From: "WaterBoy"

"Ray O'Hara" <raymond-ohara@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:j7fepn$o6a$1@dont-email.me...
> hitting recievers in the endzone when the ball is on the 8 is illegal
> contact and you're supposed to thrown the flag.
> on that first drive the Cowgirls DBs were mugging the Pats receievers in
> the endzone
>
>

Would you like some cheese with that whine? Sucks when you don't get calls
eh? Patsie fans are so used to getting non-calls and bogus drive extending
calls, they are beside themselves now... :-)

WaterBoy

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TOPIC: Right back
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/666afe36e8873e2f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 16 2011 1:47 pm
From: cloud dreamer

Way to go Wilfork...

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TOPIC: Stop SB 48 -- Could They Be Winning? -- Judging from the Gay's
Shrieking Hysteria -- Yes
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/t/e0a0e265f4505d63?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 16 2011 2:25 pm
From: Antonio E. Gonzalez

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 17:37:15 -0700, George Plimpton <george@si.not>
wrote:

>On 10/14/2011 4:19 PM, Antonio E. Gonzalez wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 22:20:37 -0700, George Plimpton<george@si.not>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/12/2011 7:48 PM, Antonio E. Gonzalez wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:50:21 -0700, George Plimpton<george@si.not>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/10/2011 9:35 PM, Antonio E. Gonzalez wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 20:56:54 -0700, George Plimpton<george@si.not>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/10/2011 8:54 PM, Antonio E. Gonzalez wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 21:56:24 -0700, George Plimpton<george@si.not>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/9/2011 8:40 PM, Antonio E. Gonzalez wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 22:31:31 -0700, George Plimpton<george@si.not>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/7/2011 7:22 PM, Antonio E. Gonzalez wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 23:59:05 -0700, George Plimpton<george@si.not>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/6/2011 10:08 PM, Antonio E. Gonzalez wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 18:43:41 -0700, Delvin Benet<DB@nbc.nýt> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/5/2011 6:29 PM, Antonio E. Gonzalez wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6 Oct 2011 00:30:10 -0000, "African Commissar"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <uboogla@hanggays.af> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. Without "gay history" we'd all still be in the dark
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about the meanings of felching, snowballing, fisting,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> barebacking, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, what you do behind closed doors is *your* business!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is about pointing out that yes, some people in history
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happened to be gay, and sometimes work that into the day's lesson.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no valid reason to work that into the day's lesson.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's one: General Frederich Wilhelm von Steuben.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Picked by George Washington to train Continental soldiers at Valley
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forge, this strick Prussian discipilarian helped make American
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soldiers into a credible fighting force. Oh, and he was attracted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> men.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I learned about von Steuben when I was young, although I didn't learn
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that he was a "strick [sic] Prussian discipilarian [sic]" until this moment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are only unsubstantiated rumors that he was queer. They are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> inconsequential. He was was not openly queer if he was at all, it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not at all a part of why he is famous, and there is no reason to include
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything about it in the curriculum.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pardon my typos. Anyway, he was gay,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not proved.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yet he was;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not proved.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you have evidence, present it. Hint: *not* Wikipedia.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have better things to do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Translation: "I'm bullshitting."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Got it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not falling for it!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm the one not falling for it, you dumb queer.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ok then . . . here ya go!:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <http://books.google.com/books?id=hZ1T2o280eIC&pg=PA203&dq=Steuben+homosexual&as_brr=0&cd=5#v=onepage&q=Steuben%20homosexual&f=false>
>>>
>>> "It has been claimed that Steuben was a homosexual. Indeed he may have
>>> been..."
>>>
>>> As far as we need to go. Tentative, not proved.
>>>
>>
>> In old terms that means proved.
>
>Not proved.
>

Proven five times!

>
>>
>>> All the rest is no better.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Translation: "I have no way of dealing with the others, so
>
>It's all amateurish bullshit.

Thanks for playing!

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 16 2011 2:26 pm
From: Antonio E. Gonzalez

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 17:36:30 -0700, George Plimpton <george@si.not>
wrote:

>On 10/14/2011 4:02 PM, Antonio E. Gonzalez wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 22:17:21 -0700, George Plimpton<george@si.not>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/12/2011 7:12 PM, Antonio E. Gonzalez wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nice of you to admit you're in the closet!
>>>
>>> Lame attempt at playing The Queer Game noted, and mocked.
>>
>> : )
>
>And mocked again.

: )

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 16 2011 2:36 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"

Sucks.
they score to go up 10 and then let the cowgirls move easily down the field
to score.
that was an example of horrid defense.

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TOPIC: Wilfork
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 16 2011 3:02 pm
From: cloud dreamer

And Chariots of Fire....baaaaaaaahahahaha. Priceless.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 16 2011 3:46 pm
From: cloud dreamer

Can't get a break...

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 16 2011 3:48 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"

"cloud dreamer" <dont.attac@the.messengers> wrote in message
news:peOdnWYQKf9-wwbTnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@supernews.com...
> Can't get a break

they are playing like shit.
this Pats team is just not that good.
they need to spend some money on defense to take the pressure off the
offense.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 16 2011 3:50 pm
From: cloud dreamer

On 16/10/2011 8:18 PM, Ray O'Hara wrote:
> "cloud dreamer"<dont.attac@the.messengers> wrote in message
> news:peOdnWYQKf9-wwbTnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@supernews.com...
>> Can't get a break
>
> they are playing like shit.
> this Pats team is just not that good.
> they need to spend some money on defense to take the pressure off the
> offense.
>
>

Now we just have to hope Romo does something dumb....

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 16 2011 3:52 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"

he just sucks.
he has missed tackles all season.
unless Romo screws up the Pats will lose and deservedly so.
they have been out played and out coached all half.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 16 2011 4:16 pm
From: cloud dreamer

is right.

He should have been that tactical on the other two drives that ended
with INTs

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 16 2011 4:17 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"

Tom Terrific does it again!.the BEST QB EVAH

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* O-Line strikes back at Santonio - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* Fat Bastards antics have created a team chaos...Jests self imploding - 1
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* Santonio throws Callahan under the bus. - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* As an aside... Revis - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: O-Line strikes back at Santonio
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 14 2011 11:03 pm
From: STEELER_NATION@webtv.net (Dean McEwen Jr)

Santonio Holmes is a fucking asshole. He's from Ohio, which should
explain why he's an asshole. I was glad when we traded him away.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 15 2011 2:22 pm
From: Kulin Remailer

In article <7563-4E992232-265@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>
STEELER_NAT...@webtv.net (Dean McEwen Jr) wrote:
>
> Santonio Holmes is a fucking asshole. He's from Ohio, which should
> explain why he's an asshole. I was glad when we traded him away.

Holmes was born in Florida. He's associated with the state of Ohio because he attended Ohio State University. Since people from Ohio are assholes according to you, you better say Rapistberger is an asshole due to the fact he was born in Lima, Ohio.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 15 2011 8:08 pm
From: "RävNsfän ®"

"Kulin Remailer" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in
message news:2E6RMH4U40832.2236111111@reece.net.au...
: In article <7563-4E992232-265@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>
: STEELER_NAT...@webtv.net (Dean McEwen Jr) wrote:
: >
: > Santonio Holmes is a fucking asshole. He's from Ohio, which should
: > explain why he's an asshole. I was glad when we traded him away.
:
: Holmes was born in Florida. He's associated with the state of Ohio because
he attended Ohio State University. Since people from Ohio are assholes
according to you, you better say Rapistberger is an asshole due to the fact
he was born in Lima, Ohio.
:

This 'tard, JDMcEwen, is from N.E. Ohio.

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TOPIC: Fat Bastards antics have created a team chaos...Jests self imploding
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 15 2011 6:20 am
From: DIet Plan

LMFAO

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TOPIC: Santonio throws Callahan under the bus.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 15 2011 3:28 pm
From: Señor Patriots

On Oct 14, 5:37 pm, oldna...@mindspring.com wrote:
>
>
> Because the O line sucks the O **can't** call the plays they all want -- that's the complaint the receivers have.
>
Well stated. I think that addresses the heart of the matter. In the
past the deficiencies of your QB were compensated by a strong OL and
running game, and now both have evaporated. So what's the OC going to
do? He seems to be pissing into a strong east wind.

I did think the (Carl?) one description of the five wides and empty
backfield showed a deficient play call when all five receivers went
short. To me that makes no sense even if there isn't time. You have
to at least send somebody on that deep route to help create some space
underneath. So to me that's perhaps a legitimate blown call, but so
far there is no consensus that this is happening frequently or is the
core problem.

In a case like yours I'd say a deep threat isn't nearly as valuable as
an underneath threat like Welker or a good TE or two. You could
establish a little rhythm and start moving the chains. I don't think
your offense is built that way though. Your team really has to run
the tits off the ball to be who they can be. But right there you see
a major issue if a couple of the OL can't run block that well.

Losing Woody really hurt your OL. I think perhaps the real core
problem here is on the personnel people?

Maybe Holmes should be pitching in a little with some underneath
routes. We saw Moss do it in NE when they were dropped way off the
ball at the snap. And a guy like Holmes is dangerous after the
catch. Maybe he should quit bitching and start offering to help in
different ways. If they fail to find ways to get him the ball then
your offense cannot possibly be successful, so why not look at
different ways? I'm not saying run him underneath all day, but shit,
once in a while to keep everybody guessing and to move the chains
can't be so bad.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 15 2011 8:03 pm
From: Johnny Morongo

On 10/14/2011 12:00 PM, John C TX wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
>>> Gray, I don''t think the only person operating in a vacuum is Schott's
>>> play calling. I think some of the criticism in here of Schott is
>>> comical in that ignres other issuues. hell some of teh criticism I
>>> really wonder of they even watched the game.
>>
>>> He could be a problem but so are some of the players. I think that he
>>> is not that good for many reasons. He was thin experience when he
>>> showed up but I still like some of the things he does& used to do. My
>>> gut feeeling& unlike those who "know" what is going on in the FO I
>>> don't kid myself that it is anymore than a feeling, is that Rex has
>>> his hand in it. He has made changes and schott probably isn't being
>>> true to himself but as Papa pointed out for $2MM year who would.
>>
>> John, I don't think that Schotty is a blithering idiot. On the contrary,
>> I believe him to be very intelligent. It just seems to me that he thinks
>> he is smarter than everyone else in designing offensive plays, and he is
>> convinced that they will succeed no matter the ability of his own
>> players to carry them out, or the opposing defense's ability to stop
>> them.
>> --
>> graybeard
>
> gray, there is never a game where I am not scratching my noggin at
> times. Johnny is busy scratching something else but that is another
> story.

Tattle tale!
>
> Some of the plays have me wondering as well but I am talking about
> when we lose& you hear complaints about Schott, or any coach for that
> matter,& ignores what happened on the field. Sanchez throwing a
> stupid ball, dropped passes, staring off 1st& 25, etc. Look around
> the league tell me the OC's you want& I bet he has a good QB in front
> of him. I think Sanchez will get there it is just painful to watch.

I don't know if Sanchez can ever overcome the basic tendency to throw a
step and a half behind receivers (a poor sense of timing? impaired field
of vision? too much pressure in his face? pick a flaw, or two). but
it's cost the team good field position and 1st downs on more than one
occasion. But Sanchez is not the only, or the major reason that the
team has entered what will be an unexpectedly steep and rather prolonged
fall from 'elitedom' (a claim they never really could stake anyway -
they were never the Pats South or Pitt East).
>
> There is a possibility that Schott is bad but ignoring other
> variables or possibilities is to me, well, I guess what fan does.
>
> :)

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 15 2011 9:24 pm
From: Señor Patriots

On Oct 14, 8:18 am, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
> On Oct 13, 11:07 pm, Señor Patriots <roamin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 13, 7:27 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Señor Patriots" <roamin...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:78f35dba-cb9b-4aa1-a3a3-5a4270dfdf7d@f11g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Oct 12, 7:46 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > "buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:03cc97dvuoh0tq3mh21o4g5t0mk3m2bq1e@4ax.com...
>
> > > > > I've always know Revis is one very-strong, tough hombre, but was anyone
> > > > > else surprised of
> > > > > his speed, when he ran down Welker?
>
> > > > > I was really taken by surprise... and that's after watching him
> > > > > intently,
> > > > > since he's been
> > > > > here. People tend to overuse the *beast* thing, on athletes... I've
> > > > > never
> > > > > used the word.
> > > > > But in Revis' case, he overpowers most of his opponents, many of which
> > > > > are
> > > > > much bigger
> > > > > than him. So, seeing him run down Welker, just blew me away.
>
> > > > Welker is a lot of things , a speed demon isn't one of them.
>
> > > Right, but he had a big lead too. Nobody else could have closed on
> > > him like that except for Revis. That was not even Revis' man and he
> > > ran him down for good measure. It reminded me a bit of the Ben Watson
> > > play in Denver.
>
> > > ====================================================================
>
> > > Ithink any CB would have run Welker down.
> > > they pick those guys for speed.
> > > Revis isn't great because he's extra fast, he's great because he can cover
> > > like a blanket, lots of fast guys still suck.
>
> > I just watched a great replay angle (from up high) of that play on
> > NFL.com and here is my amended impression:
>
> > Both Revis and Smith bit on the play-action. Smith bit harder. If
> > you stop the action you can see his body leaning forward from motion
> > to stop the run, while Revis is looking for the run but not moving
> > yet. But they both bit for at least a split second.
>
> > Then Welker just runs right up the seam between them. He did not
> > favor one side or the other, but just went directly up the middle
> > between them. Revis immediately understood that Smith was not going
> > to recover and turned to chase Welker first.
>
> > Welker ran past Revis as Revis was still getting up to speed. If you
> > watch closely you'll see that Welker outran him for quite a distance
> > and then Revis found his afterburner. It took maybe 30-40 yards to
> > find it though.
>
> > If Revis had been on Welker in man coverage then it would have been
> > interesting because maybe he would not have bitten on play-action.
> > He's obviously a disciplined player and perhaps he only bit because he
> > had the safety help.
>
> Belichick dissected this play on his weekly segment...
>
> http://www.patriots.com/media-center/videos/Patriots-Today---Belichic...
>
> He said he wasn't sure if Revis was handing him off to Smith or if he
> was supposed to stay with him. Belichick takes you through it with
> the same "up high" camera angle you talked about.
>
> [Also, he goes through other plays from the game... pretty interesting
> to hear a coach's take on individual plays, even if it is Patriots-
> centric]

Crap, for some reason my browser cannot play videos on that site. I
can't watch any of those analysis videos. Figures ...

Interesting that even Bill couldn't determine exactly what was going
on with the defenders. That was a good example of why Revis probably
likes man coverage. It pretty much simplifies life for him by not
having to rely on other people.

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TOPIC: Tanny should not be allowed to escape
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 15 2011 9:34 pm
From: Señor Patriots

On Oct 14, 9:05 am, graybeard <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:56:09 -0700 (PDT), Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Given what the Jets have done in the draft recently along with some of
> >their other roster decisions, I think it is high time to add Tanny on
> >the marquee along with Schotty. It is obvious that Tanny is nothing
> >more than an accountant. He is not qualified to evaluate talent or
> >build a quality roster. He is absoluely in the dark as far as the
> >conecept of "depth"
>
> >How he as escaped the hot seat up until this point is hard to
> >believe... Him and his pal Schotty need walking papers.
>
> Michael, the Lions were a doormat for years and only a couple of seasons
> ago set an NFL record for futility with an 0-16 record. Now they are one
> of the most exciting and fun to watch teams in the league. Along the way
> they fired their GM. There is a lesson to be learned there if the Jets
> are paying attention.
And before they fired Millen they even sent Mariucci to the funny
farm, and I think he was a decent HC. That organization needed to be
purged from the top down. But they also needed to find the right HC
again, and then make good picks. They did both but that doesn't
guarantee that they'll get it right every year. I don't see it
playing out like that for any team. Look at all the good picks Indy
made over the years but now they're stuck with obviously no good QB
picks during that entire time.

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